Yes please. My teen had a well check this week and the doctor tried to convince me that she HAD to have 3 meningitis vaccines in order to go to college. Nope. Not doing that to her again. I pretty much lost it and she then led me to the option of exemptions.
Yes please. My teen had a well check this week and the doctor tried to convince me that she HAD to have 3 meningitis vaccines in order to go to college. Nope. Not doing that to her again. I pretty much lost it and she then led me to the option of exemptions.
Bingo!! Stop taking your children to “well checks”. When you take your 7 year old car, to the Dealer for a certain mileage check, is there ever a time that you drive away without them telling you need a new something or something needs attention???
Do you go to a Lawyer for a check up to see if you need to file a lawsuit that you didn’t know about?
I worked in healthcare for over 20 years. "Well checks" are nothing more than a process to get you back into the clinic for a billable event. Pediatricians are notorious for this because of the fact the ages they treat don’t have chronic conditions like adults. Big Food and Big Pharma are doing all they can to change that, but it doesn’t happen overnight so "well checks" are needed to pay the bills.
Good point - I hadn't thought about the fact that pediatricians aren't dealing with the chronic conditions. Although, in recent years, there has certainly been an uptick in the four A's - Asthma, allergies, autoimmune diseases, and autism that should help their bottom line.
I’m liking so many in this article my finger is bleeding 🤣 I love you all and your critical thinking skills. God bless each one of you and keep speaking up. Don’t stop! Some say there’s a lot of talk but no action. But talking out loud about what-must-not-be-named IS taking action and brave at that during these times. We give each other courage so that when an opportunity (crossroad) to actually physically do something we are equipped with the necessary courage. So I Like. Like. Like!!
And Fred mine is that my “like” button is disabled (as it is for many of us that have complained of the same problem.) Beyond frustrating when I do not want to comment on EVERY post I like, but do want to add my approval by clicking the “like” button.
I wonder if anyone is working on this problem, or even knows it exists, or who can we even contact to fix it? I see this same complaint on OTHER SUBSTACKS besides C&C.
There are foolish people that do take older cars to the dealership for "wellness checks". An acquaintance asked for advice on this just the other day as he had taken the car to a dealership for an oil change (first mistake). He asked them to look it over and the came back with $10k in "recommended repairs". None of them were warranted except a minor coolant leak which they were overcharging by a factor of three to repair.
A concept with initial good intentions, preventative health care or preventative maintenance, has been completely corrupted by a unethical system to fool people into spending money on stuff they don't need. They use fear-mongering and the customers ignorance to pressure them. It amazes me that most people still can't see this and take this stuff seriously rather than laugh at these people and walk out.
I've never understood why people see their doctors for this weird thing called a "wellness check." If you are well, why would you go? And these days, even if I don't feel well, I don't go. 😂
I am 83 and we grew up in a time when kids didn't get rushed to the ER for every little thing. The only time I saw a doctor was for a Polio shot and once he came to the house when I had a bad case of measles. When we got cuts or scrapes, it was iodine and a bandaid. We weren't at all poor; rushing to doctors just wasn't done.
I only saw a doctor once in my life in my childhood: to get some necessary stitches on a cut. It never occurred to my mother to take me or my siblings to the doctor for normal, childhood illnesses. She certainly wouldn’t have taken us to a doctor for a “wellness check”. She knew if we were well or not already.
My daughter does have chronic issues, which I 100% believe are from childhood vaccines. My functional doctor told me to play the game to get the insurance to get blood work done so we could keep an eye on her.
This reminds me of my mom's strategy for a pushy salesperson who wanted her to buy an extended warranty. She told him to that she had every confidence that the product was such good quality, an extended warranty wasn’t necessary. He didn’t know what to say back 😆
The irony of doing a hard sell job on a product only to turn around and claim that the product really is a piece of crap that you can’t expect to last, so you need to pay for an extended warranty!
Walmart checkout cash register prompt: "Would you like to buy an extended warranty on your new flat screen TV?" That would be the TV which will last for ten years of normal use.
Actually they even ask if you want to buy an extended warranty for that mechanical pencil you just bought or that SD card. 🤣 It’s for everything now. $15 toaster? Want a warranty? Um no thanks I’ll just buy another if it breaks 😂
As an old lady on Medicare, I have had several calls from my insurance provider to have them come and do a "home health visit", they'll give me a $15 bonus if I do it.
My thoughts since CV is, if they have to pay you for it, it's probably not in your best interest.
Medicaid does the same. They will pay you a bonus to have an annual dr visit. Bribery 101. If someone wanted to have an annual appointment, no bribe "bonus" needed. All bs.
Another cause of the increase in childhood diseases is the obsession with cleanliness and handwashing with antibiotic soaps. I am not advocating for filth, but when we kids played in the dirt during the 1950s we returned the next day for more of the same, still healthy and stronger. Our moms did not try to trap us in antiseptic bubble suits, which seems to be commonplace today.
In addition to yes playing outside all day and in the woods behind the house as a child, I am a lifelong nail biter (tried to quit but impossible) so why am I rarely if ever sick? I do wash my hands but you know those fingers are always in my mouth. PS. I hate those sanitizers and I never use those hand dryers in public restrooms.
Way back when “guardasil” first arrived, doc tried to get me to give ok to give to my daughter. I read the brochure & said no. Later in the week, a nurse from our state dept of health called me. “Why not?” she asked. I stated it was only tried on 12 girls! She admitted she wasn’t giving it to her girls either. About a decade later, when my daughter was going to doc by herself, they tried again. She asked, if it’s only for ages 14-24, what happens if someone older takes it? The doc was stunned and let it drop. Our kids learn, even when we don’t realize it. Also, from their current commercial, I see they give it to both boys & girls, regardless of age.🤦♀️
This makes me so mad I’m in tears. I’m sick. My son was talked into HPV vax when he went into the Dr unaccompanied by me. At 13-14. Thanks to Oregon law that said I was no longer needed and my kids could make their own medical decisions. 🤮 I would have NEVER let him do it. I was livid. Still am. I’m sick for Colton and his family.
So, at 13-14, the kid can’t purchase alcohol, can’t drive, can’t serve in the military, can’t work a job, and the parents are held accountable if the kid doesn’t attend school. BUT, the kid CAN make life altering medical decisions based on doctor recommendations supported by undisclosed, inaccurate and incomplete information. 😳🤔
The kid probably thinks they are being treated like an adult being able to make their own medical decisions, but they are being treated like a baby by someone in authority saying, “Here take this it’s good for you.”
Perhaps kids should be taught that adults are seldom “given all the information,” but must seek out full details, ask questions, to be able to make informed decisions. If someone is “letting” the kid be an adult while handing the kid an already made decision, then the kid isn’t acting as an adult.
I was horrified to learn recently, that my now 32 year old daughter was enticed into receiving the Gardasil shot when in school, with me not knowing anything about it!
Some friends of mine told me their kids on high school teams were forced into it! They had a terrible reaction to the first shot & refused the remaining two. Sad.
A few select quotes from the medical community gleaned from that Reddit thread follow ..."I lean into this is the first vaccine that can porevent cancer" ... "vaccine paranoia" ... "I think [parents] see it as sexualizing children" ...
It is interesting but not surprising to learn that anyone who objects to The Allopathic Life (t.m.reg.) is sneered at and described as a fool.
It was considered by many to be the most dangerous shot until the Covid genetic injection came along. In Australia, the drug companies do not have immunity. I remember hearing RFK say that a lawyer could make a great living in Australia just by taking Gaurdisil cases, because the injuries were so devastating and easy to prove. The sad thing is that less women and girls are getting Pap smears, which easily detect any abnormal cells on the cervix. And of course, the shots interfere with the immune system comment making any kind of cancer more likely.
If a girl waits until marriage to have sex and her husband waited too, neither is at risk of any sexually transmitted disease, no pap smears or gardasil needed.
People these days seem to think having sex is an uncontrollable urge. It’s not. “My body my choice” begins before sexual intimacy occurs.
I hear you, but that’s not the way the world is these days. According to my younger friends, people don’t even really date anymore. Just casual hook ups. Not saying this is right, but the human sex drive has been a problem for thousands of years. I applaud anyone who has those principles and sticks by them.
There is nothing wrong with the human sex drive. Every period in history has its flaws, and these days there is a serious problem in our culture with responsibility. If you suggest to someone that it might be healthier to eat real food instead of a hotdog, cheetos, and a coke for lunch, you’re “fat shaming”. If a teacher refuses to inflate grades for “students of color” they’re racist. If you remind a teenager that having sex can lead to having a baby or getting a disease, you’re called a prude.
In all times in history, making good decisions leads to good outcomes. Sorry if that offends you.
I was born in 63. People haven’t changed, culture has. But the fact still remains that sex is not an uncontrollable urge. It’s a choice. But people act like “Oops, I didn’t mean to have sex, it just happened and now I have this baby/disease/feeling of emptiness.” Actions have consequences, and that wasn’t just true in the 50s.
I think it's a better bet, given the level of sex shaming and suppression of knowledge. to raise your children to be responsible and loving and to understand the consequences of sex, with and without birth control.
and to understand the financial consequences, and the life path consequences of unprotected sex. and even better, save it til you are in a committed relationship with someone you TRUST.
wishing and hoping for a day when kids dont have sex seems to me like the silliest of the options.
“Suppression of knowledge” is a myth. Young people aren’t having sex outside of marriage because the adults in their lives didn’t educate them, but because the adults are saying “it’s fine - do what you want”.
If those adults would actually give them knowledge, along with wise counsel about how dangerous it is to engage in sex outside of “a committed relationship” - aka marriage, with all the social and legal protections that come with it for the couple and the children that will likely be the result - then young people would get married and then have sex.
I’m not “wishing and hoping for a day when kids don’t have sex”. To me, wishing and hoping for a day when kids can have sex with no undesirable consequences is a whole lot sillier.
Well put Bryn. This notion that, "they are going to do it anyways (not just sex out of marriage but any self-destructive behavior) so let's try and remove all consequences" has been the direct cause of just about every society ill of the past seventy five years. And as we've seen with the trans stuff, there's no end to it as the more things are destigmatized, the more we get. We now have people arguing it's somehow compassionate to help kids cut their genitals off. Slippery slope on steroids.
This is the basic social conservative/social liberal divide that at it's heart is about exercising self control. Those who exercise self control are more successful in life by almost every objective measure; marriage length, physical health, mental health, financial status, legal issues, children's success, etc. This is blindingly obvious to most rational people. Bad decisions destroy people's lives and those of the ones around them.
Bottom line though is that this is a spiritual issue. People who exercise self-control usually do so out of accountability to God. People who behave recklessly, or even worse encourage others to do so, usually believe that they are accountable to no one. This is such an obvious reality that it boggles my mind that people cannot see it.
You misunderstood me. I have no problem with the human sex drive. We wouldn’t exist without it. I personally do not think it is necessary to wait until marriage, but I would counsel A young person to be careful to understand the risks and responsibilities, and try to have an experience with someone that they truly love. With very good birth control. I do respect people whose religious values make them want to wait until marriage. Again, not my personal issue. Just pointing out that expecting everybody to wait is unrealistic.
So what did you mean, then, when you wrote “the human sex drive has been a problem for thousands of years”?
Counseling a young person to “try to have an experience with someone that they truly love” is the problem, because it is full of assumptions and ignores reality. You don’t have to have “religious values” to understand that that “experience” can and often does lead to a baby, and then what? What if that person you “truly love” doesn’t truly love you? Abortion? A marriage that begins with duress? Single motherhood? Adoption, which is lovely for the couple wanting a child, but full of heartache for the foolish girl following your bad advice?
And that’s just the pregnancy possibility, what about the STD that will likely follow you the rest of your life? And no one talks about the very real emptiness young people experience with casual hook-ups.
You don’t have to have “religious values” to look at this with eyes wide open and see that there just is no upside to sex outside of marriage, only risks. Responsibility is not religious. And the adults in the room need to wake up and start talking about this honestly, the whole thing, not just birth control and fantasy love.
Btw, both of my children were conceived while I was using birth control. Good thing I was happily married.
I declined the guardasil for my daughter too way back when. Then a friend of a friend died of papaloma virus throat cancer at 33. You don’t get paps for your throat so I got scared and had her get them. I still regret it. Thank God she was okay and is now 21 weeks pregnant with our first grandbaby. And this child will have no shots ever if I have to homeschool her myself, I will. Luckily we still have exemptions in my state.
My sister had it in her tongue. It has a high survival rate but it sounds like the 33 yo waited until it was too late and it must have metastasized into probably the lymph nodes. Not good.
Yeah, my boys doctor asked me, why, as a woman, I wouldn't want my boys vaxxed to prevent girls from getting cervical cancer. I replied, "They are 12 and not having sex and when they do, they can wrap it up." When I pointed out the issues in Australia, he told me it was all bunk and did a google search to show me nothing showed up.
Interesting that a nurse from the Health Dept called. I never answer these types of intrusive questions regardless of who is asking them. I'll usually reply with "how is that your business?" or something along those lines. My pastor once pointed out how Jesus in the Gospels often answered bad-faith questions with a question. That made a big impression on me.
Every interaction like this has three potential outcomes, I'll come out ahead, stay the same, or come out behind. There is zero chance I'd come out ahead in this instance. I'll likely stay the same, but there is a chance I come out behind if I say something incriminating that this person in authority doesn't like. Why in the world would one choose to participate in a voluntary interaction with those potential consequences?
I was naive and since it was another woman figured she would level with me. And she did! This was around 2010, maybe. But now…would probably take your advice and not get into it!
I hear you, been there myself. Gray hair does have some advantages after all. I have to constantly remind myself of the things I did when I was younger and shake my head. Apologies if it came off as critical, that wasn't my intention.
Japan pulled it from the market due to all the injuries. But not the good ol’USA. We have commercials showing “cab dad” whose job is to keep his family safe.
The argument I heard was because it’s sexually transmitted getting boys the shots would make it less likely they’d transmit 😕 I think it’s a bogus argument but clearly some bought into it.
My friend's teen daughter was separated from her mom for the physical exam at the ob gyn. My friend specifically told the dr and nurse no hpv vax. This child was given the shot anyway and has self reported she has never felt the same way since.
Your friend should sue/report if possible. So sad😢 We parents & grands have to go beyond “stranger danger” to tell kids that even people who seem ok do not always have their best interest at heart. Especially if money is involved! 🥺
My son started a Cal State University last September, they have a meningitis vax requirement. We simply filled out the religious exemption form that a long-standing Board of Regents order requires schools to accept. It was not intrusive but simply requires students to affirm that they have a religious or philosophical objection to vaccines. It was approved no questions asked.
The school didn't make the form easy to find and did the old trick saying all students were "required" to get vaxxed without elaborating on exemptions. But they are there if you hunt for them.
Not being judgmental but curious why you take your kids to pediatrician for a "wellness check" when there's nothing wrong with them. Between vaxxing them up, trying to separate you from your child to talk about sexual deviancy, and asking you intrusive questions like "do you have a gun in the house" there is zero reason to do so. Remember a simpler time when we only went to the doctor when we were actually sick?
Our private school says the wellness visit is required by the state. A certain form must be completed at the visit. I researched this “law” and from what I can tell it is an effort to check kids for abuse. They have good intentions perhaps, but it is extremely invasive, the doctor inspects every square inch of my child looking for signs of abuse, completely unacceptable if you ask me and I’m about to forge the form next year.
I don't know about your state but most laws like this have an exemption provision to fend off legal challenges (though it's usually hidden or not disclosed). That way the requirement becomes technically voluntary. You have to find the actual law passed by the legislature and read the language in detail. Press releases and summaries put out by Public Health departments *never* state this and are intended to mislead you.
California has a requirement that all kids starting elementary school must have a dental exam (it was pushed by the Dentist's lobby). Although we had taken our kids to the dentist, we submitted the exemption because screw these people. Accepted with no questions asked.
And the school nurses will never mention exemptions. I'm wondering how to get the word out to parents of young children since the medical providers are hiding the very existence of exemptions from families.
This is where attorneys could really help, by reading the language and explaining it in layman’s terms so citizens would be armed with arguments and be able to opt out. They could post in a place that would be easy to find and accessible.
Yup, some orgs like the National Vaccine Information Center have done this for vax laws, but I've never seen it for something like this.
One thing we have to our advantage is knowing the exemption provision is almost always there. Laws are written by lawyers, and lawyers are cautious, detail-oriented people (unlike Public Health press hacks). Knowing it's there makes it pop out when you find it in the law text.
There is something wrong. She has chronic conditions. These are most likely from childhood vaccinations. Functional doc suggested I get any blood work done through doctors so insurance will pay.
So sorry Kim, she is in our prayers. We are in the same boat with our older son and thankfully a GFCF diet and protein supplements have made a huge difference for him. Stand your ground mom, you are doing the right thing on the vax (but you know that). I'm sure you can get an exemption for college. Even here in California (which doesn't have a childhood vax religious exemption) they have them for college. The National Vaccine Information Center is a great resource if you need help. God bless.
Thank you, Jeff. I have extreme guilt about ever having vaccinated her. But I did not know then what I know now. She is on a gluten free, low fodmap diet. And supplements. It’s helping but always a struggle.
I know it's difficult for moms. Years after my son's issues started my wife told me the same thing, the guilt. Men and women are so different, it had never even entered my mind. I was angry that we had been manipulated into doing it but never felt guilty. Once my wife told me I was shocked, I had no idea what she was going through.
You were deliberately manipulated by a very sophisticated campaign that toyed with your emotions. They told you that you would be a bad mom if you didn't give your child the shots. (This is why I think it hits moms so much harder, they don't say this to dads.) They used your God-given maternal instinct against you in a despicable fashion. It was a cynical and evil, and done just so they could make money.
I know it's easy to say but you have nothing to be guilty about. You were doing what you thought was in your child's best interests and were betrayed by people that you trusted. Betrayed by people who's very job it is to help you protect your child. That's not your fault. About the only thing that comes close is a child being abused by a religious figure that claims to follow Christ. It's that bad.
Lay that guilt at the feet of Jesus. He knows what kind of mom you are and how much you love your kids, He will break those chains of guilt. And know that everyone here is pulling for you and that you'll use that righteous anger to never let anyone ever again hurt your child. I know it sounds trite, but God does use the trials to transform us even though we can't possibly understand how in the moment. God bless and prayers up.
yes also 71.- my dad was a pediatrician who did house calls and traded with the local farmers for bags of Potatoes, tomatoes etc.
he talked a lot about preventive medicine which I think, knowing him, was about avoiding sugar and candy and eating more whole foods, not prepared ones and no chemicals added.. and less tv, more exercise, drinking water, instead of soda, etc.
Doc Gamm tended to my dad when he got chewed up by a chain saw, delivered all 6 of us kids and stitched up our family as needed. Small village in MN. Nobody had a choice, really. Thank God, he was a good Doc.
That's my question. Like ... someone takes their kid with nothing wrong with them to a doctor so that the doctor can say that there is nothing wrong with them.
Does any of that make any sense. Is that or is that not a usurpation of all parental authority? And the adult goes along with it like some knee jerk cast in cement consent.
I cop to fear on going along with the program. The court system was part of that. That, and at the time, late 20c in the immediate wake of the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, I didn't know any better. If I knew then what I know now, the court system would still loom. I take your point, truly, but from the outside not every parent's choice can account for the subject circumstance. Just presenting another point of view. No intention to instigate anything heated.
In my case, there IS something wrong with my daughter. The functional doctor recommended I take her for blood work purposes. She is chronically ill and needs checks. Sometimes things are not cut and dry when your kid is ill. Otherwise, she would not be going to the doctor.
No one is saying never take your child to a doctor. If there are symptoms of a problem then absolutely one should get their child checked out.
What we are saying is that "well baby checks" are an excuse to get your child into the office to shoot them up with vaccines. That's the point. And most pediatricians are the worst pharma pushers of them all as they get paid large bonuses for hitting vaccination targets. The child is a revenue stream for them, they aren't unpaid missionaries helping poor starving kids.
It's fascinating that people think a single case of a pediatrician doing good somehow invalidates the the obvious corruption of the well baby visit premise. Hopefully this doesn't come across as overly harsh but this is shallow thinking. It's the same logic used to validate the entire vaccine program, if it saves just one life then the whole thing is worth it. No that's not true. We have to assess not just the possible consequence (your child might die!!) but also the likelihood. That's how one assesses risk and determining the prudent action, not just based on fear-mongering.
Pushing on this a bit further, did the pediatrician fix the child's vision problems by catching it early? Does the child have 20/20 vision now? Of course not. At best the pediatrician got the child wearing glasses earlier than she might have otherwise. That's all well and good but hardly a medical miracle. The parents, you, or a teacher would have noticed it soon enough without the well baby visit.
It's stories like yours that have been used to guilt well-meaning parents into regular office visits otherwise they get tarred as "bad parents". I don't mean this toward you as I know that's not your intention. But this is exactly what the medical industry does and it is their intention.
I think the answer is in her comment, "I pretty much lost it..." Good for her. People just passively accept a lot of this stuff but a good dose of well-timed righteous anger can work wonders.
Any touch point with medical providers (these days) is just a chance to be shaken down to take pills, jabs, and procedures. The medical industry is a total mess now.
I can relate. Our doctor threw a fit when my son said no, so he called me into the examining room. I confirmed he was not to be given the vaccine. He said I was putting the “boy” at harm. I said he already has severe allergies and his immune system was not strong enough. He left the room and a nurse came in with a tray loaded with syringes! I asked her what are those for, we said no. She went and got Dr. Benadryl (the name I gave him when my son was younger). He came back into the room screaming at me. The a-hole had the nerve to tell me the government would take care of him. I looked him dead in the eye and said no means no. When he stormed out the nurse said to me, “Good for you. I remember you. Where have you been?” We hadn’t gone to him for 12 years. The only reason we were there, was to get a copy of his records for college. We were able to file a philosophical exemption because they were still accepted in 2009.
Yes please. My teen had a well check this week and the doctor tried to convince me that she HAD to have 3 meningitis vaccines in order to go to college. Nope. Not doing that to her again. I pretty much lost it and she then led me to the option of exemptions.
Bingo!! Stop taking your children to “well checks”. When you take your 7 year old car, to the Dealer for a certain mileage check, is there ever a time that you drive away without them telling you need a new something or something needs attention???
Do you go to a Lawyer for a check up to see if you need to file a lawsuit that you didn’t know about?
I worked in healthcare for over 20 years. "Well checks" are nothing more than a process to get you back into the clinic for a billable event. Pediatricians are notorious for this because of the fact the ages they treat don’t have chronic conditions like adults. Big Food and Big Pharma are doing all they can to change that, but it doesn’t happen overnight so "well checks" are needed to pay the bills.
Good point - I hadn't thought about the fact that pediatricians aren't dealing with the chronic conditions. Although, in recent years, there has certainly been an uptick in the four A's - Asthma, allergies, autoimmune diseases, and autism that should help their bottom line.
They deliver the cause of the chronic illness and autoimmune diseases.
And if at all possible, get you on some meds for one thing or another, whether you need them or not.
Pediatricians make big bucks if they can vaccinate a high percentage of the children. I tell people to avoid pediatricians like the plague!
My only regret is that I have but one "like" to give to this post!
I’m liking so many in this article my finger is bleeding 🤣 I love you all and your critical thinking skills. God bless each one of you and keep speaking up. Don’t stop! Some say there’s a lot of talk but no action. But talking out loud about what-must-not-be-named IS taking action and brave at that during these times. We give each other courage so that when an opportunity (crossroad) to actually physically do something we are equipped with the necessary courage. So I Like. Like. Like!!
And Fred mine is that my “like” button is disabled (as it is for many of us that have complained of the same problem.) Beyond frustrating when I do not want to comment on EVERY post I like, but do want to add my approval by clicking the “like” button.
I wonder if anyone is working on this problem, or even knows it exists, or who can we even contact to fix it? I see this same complaint on OTHER SUBSTACKS besides C&C.
I think you’re right. She will be a senior next year. We should just be done with them since they aim to injure.
There are foolish people that do take older cars to the dealership for "wellness checks". An acquaintance asked for advice on this just the other day as he had taken the car to a dealership for an oil change (first mistake). He asked them to look it over and the came back with $10k in "recommended repairs". None of them were warranted except a minor coolant leak which they were overcharging by a factor of three to repair.
A concept with initial good intentions, preventative health care or preventative maintenance, has been completely corrupted by a unethical system to fool people into spending money on stuff they don't need. They use fear-mongering and the customers ignorance to pressure them. It amazes me that most people still can't see this and take this stuff seriously rather than laugh at these people and walk out.
I've never understood why people see their doctors for this weird thing called a "wellness check." If you are well, why would you go? And these days, even if I don't feel well, I don't go. 😂
I am 83 and we grew up in a time when kids didn't get rushed to the ER for every little thing. The only time I saw a doctor was for a Polio shot and once he came to the house when I had a bad case of measles. When we got cuts or scrapes, it was iodine and a bandaid. We weren't at all poor; rushing to doctors just wasn't done.
I’m 73 and the first time I saw a doctor was for a college entrance physical in 1969.
I only saw a doctor once in my life in my childhood: to get some necessary stitches on a cut. It never occurred to my mother to take me or my siblings to the doctor for normal, childhood illnesses. She certainly wouldn’t have taken us to a doctor for a “wellness check”. She knew if we were well or not already.
Oh how I miss Common Sense😢
My daughter does have chronic issues, which I 100% believe are from childhood vaccines. My functional doctor told me to play the game to get the insurance to get blood work done so we could keep an eye on her.
It's like convid. How would you even know you had it without a test?
Yes!!!!!
This reminds me of my mom's strategy for a pushy salesperson who wanted her to buy an extended warranty. She told him to that she had every confidence that the product was such good quality, an extended warranty wasn’t necessary. He didn’t know what to say back 😆
The irony of doing a hard sell job on a product only to turn around and claim that the product really is a piece of crap that you can’t expect to last, so you need to pay for an extended warranty!
Right?? 😂😆 My mom was very savvy to use that tactic 😁
Sounds like the vaxx program.
Last shot didn't work, you need to take another.
Yes! THIS ⬆️
Walmart checkout cash register prompt: "Would you like to buy an extended warranty on your new flat screen TV?" That would be the TV which will last for ten years of normal use.
Actually they even ask if you want to buy an extended warranty for that mechanical pencil you just bought or that SD card. 🤣 It’s for everything now. $15 toaster? Want a warranty? Um no thanks I’ll just buy another if it breaks 😂
As an old lady on Medicare, I have had several calls from my insurance provider to have them come and do a "home health visit", they'll give me a $15 bonus if I do it.
My thoughts since CV is, if they have to pay you for it, it's probably not in your best interest.
They make sure you don’t have fall risks inside the house and basically check your blood pressure. Not really helpful unless you want company.
Medicaid does the same. They will pay you a bonus to have an annual dr visit. Bribery 101. If someone wanted to have an annual appointment, no bribe "bonus" needed. All bs.
yeah man, let kids be kids. they get runny noses for a reason.
there seems to be a misunderstanding; all of us will shuffle this mortal coil.
there's just nothing to disambiguate and children would be better off knowing this.
how else are they going to evaluate their own risk?
Another cause of the increase in childhood diseases is the obsession with cleanliness and handwashing with antibiotic soaps. I am not advocating for filth, but when we kids played in the dirt during the 1950s we returned the next day for more of the same, still healthy and stronger. Our moms did not try to trap us in antiseptic bubble suits, which seems to be commonplace today.
In addition to yes playing outside all day and in the woods behind the house as a child, I am a lifelong nail biter (tried to quit but impossible) so why am I rarely if ever sick? I do wash my hands but you know those fingers are always in my mouth. PS. I hate those sanitizers and I never use those hand dryers in public restrooms.
Could not agree more. There are times when it doesn't make sense to wash your hands....especially in some public restrooms!
GOOD POINT. "Free screenings," too, are the same. Utter B.S.
Hum, something new? I'm BLOCKED from liking your comment...
With logic like that, you have come up with the perfect handle.
Good one!
Way back when “guardasil” first arrived, doc tried to get me to give ok to give to my daughter. I read the brochure & said no. Later in the week, a nurse from our state dept of health called me. “Why not?” she asked. I stated it was only tried on 12 girls! She admitted she wasn’t giving it to her girls either. About a decade later, when my daughter was going to doc by herself, they tried again. She asked, if it’s only for ages 14-24, what happens if someone older takes it? The doc was stunned and let it drop. Our kids learn, even when we don’t realize it. Also, from their current commercial, I see they give it to both boys & girls, regardless of age.🤦♀️
https://youtu.be/FKBahh3Ut64?si=TGAkwSLvPhNYV-Ow
This is a story from the Vaxxed movie about Gardisil. Colton took his life at 18 because he didn’t want to be a burden to his family.
This makes me so mad I’m in tears. I’m sick. My son was talked into HPV vax when he went into the Dr unaccompanied by me. At 13-14. Thanks to Oregon law that said I was no longer needed and my kids could make their own medical decisions. 🤮 I would have NEVER let him do it. I was livid. Still am. I’m sick for Colton and his family.
So, at 13-14, the kid can’t purchase alcohol, can’t drive, can’t serve in the military, can’t work a job, and the parents are held accountable if the kid doesn’t attend school. BUT, the kid CAN make life altering medical decisions based on doctor recommendations supported by undisclosed, inaccurate and incomplete information. 😳🤔
The kid probably thinks they are being treated like an adult being able to make their own medical decisions, but they are being treated like a baby by someone in authority saying, “Here take this it’s good for you.”
Perhaps kids should be taught that adults are seldom “given all the information,” but must seek out full details, ask questions, to be able to make informed decisions. If someone is “letting” the kid be an adult while handing the kid an already made decision, then the kid isn’t acting as an adult.
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I was horrified to learn recently, that my now 32 year old daughter was enticed into receiving the Gardasil shot when in school, with me not knowing anything about it!
Some friends of mine told me their kids on high school teams were forced into it! They had a terrible reaction to the first shot & refused the remaining two. Sad.
horrible~!
I googled "what is gardasil" and THIS was the third info line returned:
https://www.reddit.com/r/FamilyMedicine/comments/16titq5/whats_with_the_opposition_to_gardasil_and_how_do/
A few select quotes from the medical community gleaned from that Reddit thread follow ..."I lean into this is the first vaccine that can porevent cancer" ... "vaccine paranoia" ... "I think [parents] see it as sexualizing children" ...
It is interesting but not surprising to learn that anyone who objects to The Allopathic Life (t.m.reg.) is sneered at and described as a fool.
Reddit is so rife with leftism.... they love them some vaxines over there.
And Ukraine is winning!
It was considered by many to be the most dangerous shot until the Covid genetic injection came along. In Australia, the drug companies do not have immunity. I remember hearing RFK say that a lawyer could make a great living in Australia just by taking Gaurdisil cases, because the injuries were so devastating and easy to prove. The sad thing is that less women and girls are getting Pap smears, which easily detect any abnormal cells on the cervix. And of course, the shots interfere with the immune system comment making any kind of cancer more likely.
If a girl waits until marriage to have sex and her husband waited too, neither is at risk of any sexually transmitted disease, no pap smears or gardasil needed.
People these days seem to think having sex is an uncontrollable urge. It’s not. “My body my choice” begins before sexual intimacy occurs.
I hear you, but that’s not the way the world is these days. According to my younger friends, people don’t even really date anymore. Just casual hook ups. Not saying this is right, but the human sex drive has been a problem for thousands of years. I applaud anyone who has those principles and sticks by them.
These days? Yikes. Are we that decrepit now?
There is nothing wrong with the human sex drive. Every period in history has its flaws, and these days there is a serious problem in our culture with responsibility. If you suggest to someone that it might be healthier to eat real food instead of a hotdog, cheetos, and a coke for lunch, you’re “fat shaming”. If a teacher refuses to inflate grades for “students of color” they’re racist. If you remind a teenager that having sex can lead to having a baby or getting a disease, you’re called a prude.
In all times in history, making good decisions leads to good outcomes. Sorry if that offends you.
LOL> the 50s are calling you. Reality check
I was born in 63. People haven’t changed, culture has. But the fact still remains that sex is not an uncontrollable urge. It’s a choice. But people act like “Oops, I didn’t mean to have sex, it just happened and now I have this baby/disease/feeling of emptiness.” Actions have consequences, and that wasn’t just true in the 50s.
I think it's a better bet, given the level of sex shaming and suppression of knowledge. to raise your children to be responsible and loving and to understand the consequences of sex, with and without birth control.
and to understand the financial consequences, and the life path consequences of unprotected sex. and even better, save it til you are in a committed relationship with someone you TRUST.
wishing and hoping for a day when kids dont have sex seems to me like the silliest of the options.
but maybe that's just me.
“Suppression of knowledge” is a myth. Young people aren’t having sex outside of marriage because the adults in their lives didn’t educate them, but because the adults are saying “it’s fine - do what you want”.
If those adults would actually give them knowledge, along with wise counsel about how dangerous it is to engage in sex outside of “a committed relationship” - aka marriage, with all the social and legal protections that come with it for the couple and the children that will likely be the result - then young people would get married and then have sex.
I’m not “wishing and hoping for a day when kids don’t have sex”. To me, wishing and hoping for a day when kids can have sex with no undesirable consequences is a whole lot sillier.
Well put Bryn. This notion that, "they are going to do it anyways (not just sex out of marriage but any self-destructive behavior) so let's try and remove all consequences" has been the direct cause of just about every society ill of the past seventy five years. And as we've seen with the trans stuff, there's no end to it as the more things are destigmatized, the more we get. We now have people arguing it's somehow compassionate to help kids cut their genitals off. Slippery slope on steroids.
This is the basic social conservative/social liberal divide that at it's heart is about exercising self control. Those who exercise self control are more successful in life by almost every objective measure; marriage length, physical health, mental health, financial status, legal issues, children's success, etc. This is blindingly obvious to most rational people. Bad decisions destroy people's lives and those of the ones around them.
Bottom line though is that this is a spiritual issue. People who exercise self-control usually do so out of accountability to God. People who behave recklessly, or even worse encourage others to do so, usually believe that they are accountable to no one. This is such an obvious reality that it boggles my mind that people cannot see it.
Great comment Jeff C!
You misunderstood me. I have no problem with the human sex drive. We wouldn’t exist without it. I personally do not think it is necessary to wait until marriage, but I would counsel A young person to be careful to understand the risks and responsibilities, and try to have an experience with someone that they truly love. With very good birth control. I do respect people whose religious values make them want to wait until marriage. Again, not my personal issue. Just pointing out that expecting everybody to wait is unrealistic.
So what did you mean, then, when you wrote “the human sex drive has been a problem for thousands of years”?
Counseling a young person to “try to have an experience with someone that they truly love” is the problem, because it is full of assumptions and ignores reality. You don’t have to have “religious values” to understand that that “experience” can and often does lead to a baby, and then what? What if that person you “truly love” doesn’t truly love you? Abortion? A marriage that begins with duress? Single motherhood? Adoption, which is lovely for the couple wanting a child, but full of heartache for the foolish girl following your bad advice?
And that’s just the pregnancy possibility, what about the STD that will likely follow you the rest of your life? And no one talks about the very real emptiness young people experience with casual hook-ups.
You don’t have to have “religious values” to look at this with eyes wide open and see that there just is no upside to sex outside of marriage, only risks. Responsibility is not religious. And the adults in the room need to wake up and start talking about this honestly, the whole thing, not just birth control and fantasy love.
Btw, both of my children were conceived while I was using birth control. Good thing I was happily married.
& the commercials for it are on every night
I declined the guardasil for my daughter too way back when. Then a friend of a friend died of papaloma virus throat cancer at 33. You don’t get paps for your throat so I got scared and had her get them. I still regret it. Thank God she was okay and is now 21 weeks pregnant with our first grandbaby. And this child will have no shots ever if I have to homeschool her myself, I will. Luckily we still have exemptions in my state.
My sister had it in her tongue. It has a high survival rate but it sounds like the 33 yo waited until it was too late and it must have metastasized into probably the lymph nodes. Not good.
Yeah, my boys doctor asked me, why, as a woman, I wouldn't want my boys vaxxed to prevent girls from getting cervical cancer. I replied, "They are 12 and not having sex and when they do, they can wrap it up." When I pointed out the issues in Australia, he told me it was all bunk and did a google search to show me nothing showed up.
I love that. Google 'white couples' to see how corrupt that 'search' engine is.
My cousin sells it and refuses to let her daughters take it!
ALSO HORRIBLE>
Interesting that a nurse from the Health Dept called. I never answer these types of intrusive questions regardless of who is asking them. I'll usually reply with "how is that your business?" or something along those lines. My pastor once pointed out how Jesus in the Gospels often answered bad-faith questions with a question. That made a big impression on me.
Every interaction like this has three potential outcomes, I'll come out ahead, stay the same, or come out behind. There is zero chance I'd come out ahead in this instance. I'll likely stay the same, but there is a chance I come out behind if I say something incriminating that this person in authority doesn't like. Why in the world would one choose to participate in a voluntary interaction with those potential consequences?
I was naive and since it was another woman figured she would level with me. And she did! This was around 2010, maybe. But now…would probably take your advice and not get into it!
I hear you, been there myself. Gray hair does have some advantages after all. I have to constantly remind myself of the things I did when I was younger and shake my head. Apologies if it came off as critical, that wasn't my intention.
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Japan pulled it from the market due to all the injuries. But not the good ol’USA. We have commercials showing “cab dad” whose job is to keep his family safe.
Yes, because “the new boys” are REALLY girls- see how their bs fear porn works?!
The argument I heard was because it’s sexually transmitted getting boys the shots would make it less likely they’d transmit 😕 I think it’s a bogus argument but clearly some bought into it.
My friend's teen daughter was separated from her mom for the physical exam at the ob gyn. My friend specifically told the dr and nurse no hpv vax. This child was given the shot anyway and has self reported she has never felt the same way since.
Your friend should sue/report if possible. So sad😢 We parents & grands have to go beyond “stranger danger” to tell kids that even people who seem ok do not always have their best interest at heart. Especially if money is involved! 🥺
My son started a Cal State University last September, they have a meningitis vax requirement. We simply filled out the religious exemption form that a long-standing Board of Regents order requires schools to accept. It was not intrusive but simply requires students to affirm that they have a religious or philosophical objection to vaccines. It was approved no questions asked.
The school didn't make the form easy to find and did the old trick saying all students were "required" to get vaxxed without elaborating on exemptions. But they are there if you hunt for them.
Not being judgmental but curious why you take your kids to pediatrician for a "wellness check" when there's nothing wrong with them. Between vaxxing them up, trying to separate you from your child to talk about sexual deviancy, and asking you intrusive questions like "do you have a gun in the house" there is zero reason to do so. Remember a simpler time when we only went to the doctor when we were actually sick?
Our private school says the wellness visit is required by the state. A certain form must be completed at the visit. I researched this “law” and from what I can tell it is an effort to check kids for abuse. They have good intentions perhaps, but it is extremely invasive, the doctor inspects every square inch of my child looking for signs of abuse, completely unacceptable if you ask me and I’m about to forge the form next year.
I don't know about your state but most laws like this have an exemption provision to fend off legal challenges (though it's usually hidden or not disclosed). That way the requirement becomes technically voluntary. You have to find the actual law passed by the legislature and read the language in detail. Press releases and summaries put out by Public Health departments *never* state this and are intended to mislead you.
California has a requirement that all kids starting elementary school must have a dental exam (it was pushed by the Dentist's lobby). Although we had taken our kids to the dentist, we submitted the exemption because screw these people. Accepted with no questions asked.
And the school nurses will never mention exemptions. I'm wondering how to get the word out to parents of young children since the medical providers are hiding the very existence of exemptions from families.
would be great if in the KNOW parents would spread this awareness!
You tell two friends, and they tell two friends, and they tell two friends. Worked well in those glorious pre-internet days.
This is where attorneys could really help, by reading the language and explaining it in layman’s terms so citizens would be armed with arguments and be able to opt out. They could post in a place that would be easy to find and accessible.
Yup, some orgs like the National Vaccine Information Center have done this for vax laws, but I've never seen it for something like this.
One thing we have to our advantage is knowing the exemption provision is almost always there. Laws are written by lawyers, and lawyers are cautious, detail-oriented people (unlike Public Health press hacks). Knowing it's there makes it pop out when you find it in the law text.
I’m in Texas. I already found the exemption form for her college and am ready to request a religious exemption.
There is something wrong. She has chronic conditions. These are most likely from childhood vaccinations. Functional doc suggested I get any blood work done through doctors so insurance will pay.
So sorry Kim, she is in our prayers. We are in the same boat with our older son and thankfully a GFCF diet and protein supplements have made a huge difference for him. Stand your ground mom, you are doing the right thing on the vax (but you know that). I'm sure you can get an exemption for college. Even here in California (which doesn't have a childhood vax religious exemption) they have them for college. The National Vaccine Information Center is a great resource if you need help. God bless.
Thank you, Jeff. I have extreme guilt about ever having vaccinated her. But I did not know then what I know now. She is on a gluten free, low fodmap diet. And supplements. It’s helping but always a struggle.
I know it's difficult for moms. Years after my son's issues started my wife told me the same thing, the guilt. Men and women are so different, it had never even entered my mind. I was angry that we had been manipulated into doing it but never felt guilty. Once my wife told me I was shocked, I had no idea what she was going through.
You were deliberately manipulated by a very sophisticated campaign that toyed with your emotions. They told you that you would be a bad mom if you didn't give your child the shots. (This is why I think it hits moms so much harder, they don't say this to dads.) They used your God-given maternal instinct against you in a despicable fashion. It was a cynical and evil, and done just so they could make money.
I know it's easy to say but you have nothing to be guilty about. You were doing what you thought was in your child's best interests and were betrayed by people that you trusted. Betrayed by people who's very job it is to help you protect your child. That's not your fault. About the only thing that comes close is a child being abused by a religious figure that claims to follow Christ. It's that bad.
Lay that guilt at the feet of Jesus. He knows what kind of mom you are and how much you love your kids, He will break those chains of guilt. And know that everyone here is pulling for you and that you'll use that righteous anger to never let anyone ever again hurt your child. I know it sounds trite, but God does use the trials to transform us even though we can't possibly understand how in the moment. God bless and prayers up.
Thank you ❤️ God has been working on me on laying things down. So this is a timely word.
So perceptive and so very well-stated, Jeff C.
Did we even have pediatricians back then (i'm 71).? I only recall seeing the same Dr my parents' did.
yes also 71.- my dad was a pediatrician who did house calls and traded with the local farmers for bags of Potatoes, tomatoes etc.
he talked a lot about preventive medicine which I think, knowing him, was about avoiding sugar and candy and eating more whole foods, not prepared ones and no chemicals added.. and less tv, more exercise, drinking water, instead of soda, etc.
Doc Gamm tended to my dad when he got chewed up by a chain saw, delivered all 6 of us kids and stitched up our family as needed. Small village in MN. Nobody had a choice, really. Thank God, he was a good Doc.
Yes! I never went because I would never complain and would try to hide any illness from my mom so I wouldn't have to go!
My Medicare doctor’s office called for my annual wellness check up. I told them I was fine and thanks for calling and hung up!!
Or, "Yes I'm well. Thanks for checking up." ->hang up. Keeping that one in my hip pocket.😉
That's my question. Like ... someone takes their kid with nothing wrong with them to a doctor so that the doctor can say that there is nothing wrong with them.
Does any of that make any sense. Is that or is that not a usurpation of all parental authority? And the adult goes along with it like some knee jerk cast in cement consent.
I cop to fear on going along with the program. The court system was part of that. That, and at the time, late 20c in the immediate wake of the 1986 Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, I didn't know any better. If I knew then what I know now, the court system would still loom. I take your point, truly, but from the outside not every parent's choice can account for the subject circumstance. Just presenting another point of view. No intention to instigate anything heated.
In my case, there IS something wrong with my daughter. The functional doctor recommended I take her for blood work purposes. She is chronically ill and needs checks. Sometimes things are not cut and dry when your kid is ill. Otherwise, she would not be going to the doctor.
My granddaughter could not see well. The pediatrician helped us find that out when she was only 2.
No one is saying never take your child to a doctor. If there are symptoms of a problem then absolutely one should get their child checked out.
What we are saying is that "well baby checks" are an excuse to get your child into the office to shoot them up with vaccines. That's the point. And most pediatricians are the worst pharma pushers of them all as they get paid large bonuses for hitting vaccination targets. The child is a revenue stream for them, they aren't unpaid missionaries helping poor starving kids.
It's fascinating that people think a single case of a pediatrician doing good somehow invalidates the the obvious corruption of the well baby visit premise. Hopefully this doesn't come across as overly harsh but this is shallow thinking. It's the same logic used to validate the entire vaccine program, if it saves just one life then the whole thing is worth it. No that's not true. We have to assess not just the possible consequence (your child might die!!) but also the likelihood. That's how one assesses risk and determining the prudent action, not just based on fear-mongering.
Pushing on this a bit further, did the pediatrician fix the child's vision problems by catching it early? Does the child have 20/20 vision now? Of course not. At best the pediatrician got the child wearing glasses earlier than she might have otherwise. That's all well and good but hardly a medical miracle. The parents, you, or a teacher would have noticed it soon enough without the well baby visit.
It's stories like yours that have been used to guilt well-meaning parents into regular office visits otherwise they get tarred as "bad parents". I don't mean this toward you as I know that's not your intention. But this is exactly what the medical industry does and it is their intention.
I go to my PCP so infrequently, the last time in 2019, his first comment was “Long time no see!”
I needed to find out if I needed surgery on my shoulder. Otherwise I wouldn’t have been in at all.
I'm surprised your doc mentioned exemptions - usually the medical folks won't bring that up! Was this a pediatrician or family medicine doc?
I think the answer is in her comment, "I pretty much lost it..." Good for her. People just passively accept a lot of this stuff but a good dose of well-timed righteous anger can work wonders.
PCP. I was surprised too. I believe my response is what did it. Then I was really angry about the approach.
Any touch point with medical providers (these days) is just a chance to be shaken down to take pills, jabs, and procedures. The medical industry is a total mess now.
An opinion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3j88NHXUS0
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I can relate. Our doctor threw a fit when my son said no, so he called me into the examining room. I confirmed he was not to be given the vaccine. He said I was putting the “boy” at harm. I said he already has severe allergies and his immune system was not strong enough. He left the room and a nurse came in with a tray loaded with syringes! I asked her what are those for, we said no. She went and got Dr. Benadryl (the name I gave him when my son was younger). He came back into the room screaming at me. The a-hole had the nerve to tell me the government would take care of him. I looked him dead in the eye and said no means no. When he stormed out the nurse said to me, “Good for you. I remember you. Where have you been?” We hadn’t gone to him for 12 years. The only reason we were there, was to get a copy of his records for college. We were able to file a philosophical exemption because they were still accepted in 2009.