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FourWinds's avatar

My job entails working part time in a pharmacy, and Jeff's spot on about the Adderall. We can't get enough of it to fill all of the requests for it. We have a policy to fill prescriptions for existing customers, so they get theirs, but will not for anyone new who wants it because that would not leave us enough for our existing customers. You should hear these people's desperation when they call and we tell them we can't do it. They are clearly addicts. That's not a judgement, it is a matter of a fact of chemical dependence. What gets me is the ones in their 40s and 50s who are on this junk. Don't tell me they need it to pay attention in school.

And yes, we have sky high prescriptions for anti anxiety, anti depression, and a whole bunch of other mood altering drugs plus many, many, many opiates. Most of these people get this junk free, which tells me the government is paying up as opposed to private insurance, which nearly always has a copay.

America is a heavily drugged up nation.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

Notice how law enforcement and the media never tell us what kinds of drugs the mass killers are on.

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Mary H.'s avatar

This is precisely why the “manifesto “ hasn’t been released.

It IS a common denominator of most mass murders.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

Just finished watching “The Rabbit Hole” with Keifer Sutherland. Other than some salty language, we really enjoyed it. One of the plot lines has the evil guy controlling people on these drugs to take out his enemies. Pretty sure that’s not fiction.

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Kathleen Janoski's avatar

If the US government can do MK Ultra, pumping some killer full of drugs is very believable.

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Chevrus's avatar

Much like Mockingbird, it's a bit naive to think that it all just went away....

With today's material tech it's exponentially bigger.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

I SOOOO enjoyed it as well! Felt like I was watching real events unfold.

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Seeking Grace's avatar

Wasn’t the last episode amazing?! I wanted to stand up on my chair and cheer! (minor spoiler alert, I guess 😬)

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Nancy Tait's avatar

My husband is re-watching the final episode as I write this. Your comment is not really a "spoiler". All you revealed was that the ending was happy, sort of. My husband and I thought the show was amazingly close to reality in many aspects, including the very final moments. I'm surprised that Big Guys even allowed this show to air. 😊

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Seeking Grace's avatar

I said the same thing. Very interesting, indeed!

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Colleen The Queen's avatar

Exactly what I told my husband!

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

Anyone else remember during the Obama administration when they were closing hundreds of mental health facilities? I thought at that time, where are these people going to go? I guess we got the reason, huge homeless population, mass murder rise and drug overdoses. CUI BONO?!!!

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

My wife has recently started a travel contract. As a result, she ran out of her Rx for an SSRI and went totally without for a week.

The withdrawal was horrific. I didn't know about it until she'd been off the SSRI cold-turkey for about 5 days. Massive depression, suicidal ideation for a lady who is normally happy-go-lucky and cheerful.

Yet another crime by Big Pharma and the Modical-Pharma Complex. And yet another reason why I take ZERO meds.

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NAB's avatar

Oh, I am sorry, Fred. I used to take Paxil and did so for about 3 years. I wanted to be done with it as I felt my situational stressors had improved. I knew enough to know that going "cold turkey" was inadvisable so I did a long taper - as in 6 months - to discontinue it. Fortunately, this very gradual reduction worked for me but I can't imagine what your wife suffered. I hope she is feeling better now.

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Fre'd Bennett, MAHA's avatar

Thanks, NAB. She is better now. She was home and able to refill her 'scrip, and now back to normal.

I've actually wanted her to try to get off these things, but this incident was super scary. Need to find a doctor who can help her taper off.

It burns me up to realize the 100's of 1000's of women who are on these dangerous drugs.

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Peace's avatar

The vast majority of docs have no clue how to properly taper off SSRIs. Please look into FB group "Cymbalta Hurts Worse" for insight into proper weaning off SSRI. Members can take a few years to wean off the drug/s utilizing very small, incremental reductions. Sometimes a compounding pharmacy is required. Again, it is a rare doc who will recognize the importance of a slow taper. Best wishes to your wife!

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NAB's avatar

It amazes me how many doctors advocate a 2 week wean off these powerful medications - even for people who have taken them for years!

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Gabriella's avatar

Yes, Dr. Peter Breggin, Peter Gotzsche, Robert Whitaker, and others have written about the withdrawals people experience from stopping psychotropic drugs abruptly(ADHD meds are also psychotropic meds ).People are NOT INFORMED about the WITHDRAWALS! Psychiatrists will tell a person it is their “illness” returning and they need to stay on their meds. The longer a person is on psych meds the worse the withdrawals can be. The psych meds have to be very slowly tapered down with the help of an knowledgeable doctor. Although many have tapered on their own as it can be difficult to find a doctor to assist them. A person should educate themselves first before attempting tapering so they will know what difficulties to expect.

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Freebird's avatar

I can attest to this from personal experience. The insidious thing about many psychotropic drugs is that as your body adjusts to the dosage you’re on, you’ll start having withdrawal symptoms because it wants more! They are self feeding monstrosities. The side effects and withdrawals were horrible, but the one which convinced me that the drug was playing havoc with my brain was a nasty thing called brain zaps…hard to describe but they’re like a pause or lapse of brain activity. I had to retire early due to the 3 year use of that terrible drug. And when I ask my doctor about help tapering off he said, “oh just go from 30 to 20 mg”, which was the lowest dose available. I found an online forum which helped me to taper off myself. One thing that I believe saved my sanity during those days when I was so anxious and depressed that I couldn’t stand myself, I would go outside and soak up the sun…God given vitamin D. That was 15 years ago and whenever I have the opportunity to tell someone about that experience, I say NEVER let a doctor put you on one of those drugs! What will truly help you is prayer, taking a walk and sunshine. And if it’s winter and hard to get sunshine, it’s important to take a vitamin D supplement, along with vitamin K for absorption. The dosage that works for me is 5000 IU daily.

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Gabriella's avatar

So glad you figured it out early.

If only people knew before starting any of psych med, most would say “No Thank You!” Same for childhood shots.

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Susan In Kansas's avatar

I spent close to 4 months going very slowly off ssri’s I started in 2008 after the death of my best friend. I had tried several times throughout the years to go off and can attest to the horrible withdrawal effects. I feel so free. They have side effects I never realized. Always read the side effects

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Freebird's avatar

Same year I went off mine Susan, and I also spent 4-5 months getting off. A commenter on the forum from which I got immense help, said that he got off cocaine easier than Cymbalta.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Big Pharma is addicted to big buck$ so they can buy toys inside the Beltway.

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Sharon's avatar

Agree, my husband, son and 1 daughter all have had similar experiences and why I am so happy to take zero meds as well!

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SheThinksLiberty's avatar

Very sorry to hear about this, Fred. I'm with you, as is hubs -- ZERO meds.

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CMCM's avatar

Excellent article, everyone should read it!

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NAB's avatar

Yes. I endorse this recommendation. Midwestern Doctor is a worthwhile Substack subscription. He does amazing work.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

My take--drugged and fatherless

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Jay Skywatcher's avatar

Bill Cooper got killed for exposing that!

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Scott Kinghorn's avatar

I've been asking this very question for several years now. No answers.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Isn't that something.

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Susan Catherine's avatar

Adderall is like crack. I was in my 30's and tried it when it was prescribed for my son. He tried it and told me he didn't like how it made him feel so he didn't want to take it (God love him!). It made me curious so I gave it a whirl. I was a rockstar at work that day--probably annoying as all get-out too! Two young kids I know who were on it for a long time both had unattractive teeth and gums. Like their gums were really red--it could be coincidence, but that always made me wonder if the body responds to it in a crack-way.

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ASK's avatar

So adderall is a form of amphetamine. It is my understanding that in kids, it has the opposite effect in the brain to slow down for adhd. When kids get to their teens it has to be discontinued because it starts to act like speed. Adults get hooked on their kids prescriptions because it acts like speed for them and they become ultra productive as a result.

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Jeff C's avatar

"in kids it it has the opposite effect..."

There is no evidence this is true, it's a theory. There are no tests run on kids that show their brain speeding up or slowing down, or any other such definitive measure. It's no different from the "chemical imbalance" canard used to sell people SSRI's and other psychotropic drugs. No empirical evidence to back it up but it's repeated endlessly by so-called experts.

All we really know is that in some kids it does seem to help them focus better in the short-term but is this really a surprise? A drowsy truck driver can focus better when hopped up on speed too, but does anyone consider it a treatment? A stressed-out businessman is relaxed by a few stiff drinks every night but is that treatment? Mind altering drugs can temporarily alleviate unpleasant feelings it's true. However claiming people have a brain dysfunction and need these drugs treat it is pseudoscientific BS.

Putting kids on speed is a bad idea, period end of story. I say this as a former speed freak now decades clean and sober. We were told by our vax-shilling pediatrician and kindergarten teacher that our son needed "treatment" (i.e. speed) to focus but thankfully we had the God-given wisdom to say no and told her to go (blank) herself. He just graduated high school near the top of his class and is starting university in September.

When I told the pediatrician my drug history (when she pressed me on why we refused "medication") she told me I had ADHD too and had been self-medicating those years! Um no, I was a depraved drug addict that liked to get high. Some things really are as simple as they seem. Needless to say we fired her shortly after that.

Doctors that want to put your kids on speed do not have their best interests at heart. Use common sense, just say no!

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RunningLogic's avatar

Thank you for sharing your experiences. Hard won wisdom that helped save your child 🙏❤️

Doctors and Pharma companies are preying on kids and using emotional manipulation of their parents to do it 😕

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Jeff C's avatar

Thanks RunningLogic. It's infuriating as the notion that speed somehow calms children down not only has no evidence to support it but also defies logic. People shouldn't have to be former drug addicts to know this, but God does work in amazing ways to have used this experience in my life.

It's comparable to the argument made by pharma that the covid vax is superior to natural immunity. It completely flies in the face of a couple hundred years of observations and has zero evidence behind it. It does sell product though. I just wish more people would question this stuff that runs completely counter to their life experiences rather than blindly trust someone because they have a diploma on the wall.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Well said.

I wish the same. And I wish the medical community were more interested in causes and real solutions instead of band aids 😕

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Roger Beal's avatar

Band aids are fine, but buckets of cash delivered via government mandates, are better.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yeah that too 😕

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SusanMc's avatar

Band-aids help the band-aid manufacturers bottom line. They save the doctor time; takes time working with one particular patient to seek causes & try solutions. Time that could have billed with 2-3 patients rather than just that one.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Yes exactly.

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Roger Beal's avatar

Well said. Been there and done that myself in the late 1960s. Amphetamines are perhaps harder to get off of than is alcohol.

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Swedecelt's avatar

Hi Jeff, I agree we should not give kids speed because they "may" focus better etc. I have a personal ancedote for you from my teen days. I guess I should say I was diagnosed ADHD as an adult, to give you context. When I was going to go to our Senior all nighter I told my boyfriend I was just too tired and wasn't going. I did not do drugs or drink. He offered me speed and said it would keep me up. He left for an hour so I could get ready after I took the speed. He told me later that when he came back I was so asleep he could not wake me. (I did respond somewhat, not unconcious) and I slept for 13 hours straight. One other time when I was 26 I tried Cocaine. Same response. Slept for an entire day. So maybe there is something to the thought that it slows down the brain of kids with ADHD? Maybe it was just me. Maybe God was protecting me? Or maybe my brain works differently than those who do not have ADHD? I can only say that it happened to me. I am so glad your son has you to speak for him and to protect him!

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ASK's avatar

If you look at the statistics of antidepressant and adhd drug use, it has exploded in recent years for kids. Why? Big pharma profits. You have BABIES being prescribed drugs they shouldn’t need.

There is also evidence that some of these school shooters had been on high dose antidepressants or had their dosages increased when they committed these crimes. But is that discussed in the media? NO! Because it would call into question if these drugs are hurting kids.

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Chevrus's avatar

I worked in children's mental health for quite a few years and was privy to the ways and means that psychatropes are prescribed and administered.

We would get intakes who at the age of ten could dry swallow a handful of pills. Gradually tapering the dose until they were "clean" would then reveal the personality of the child. Fascinating stuff. I can assure you that despite the fact that the organization I work for was decent, the practices were not. Children were essentially guinea pigs. Throw some meds at them and see what sticks.

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NAB's avatar

And add to this already toxic mix that all of these drugs can be diverted and ingested in ways not originally intended. Just about everything can be crushed and snorted so the delivery of the drug through the mucosal membranes is instantaneous and more powerful.

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Jamie's avatar

Actually, in TN the gov recently added an amendment to a anti 2A bill that was submitted & created a seemingly random list of 10 Psyc drugs that if filled would eliminate one’s ability to carry/purchase guns...

🤔Makes one wonder if they only pay attention to facts that help their narrative. If they really cared they’d ban the drugs 🤯

If government can create random laws that would make one who believes in the 2A a felon because say they have the wrong trigger or get prescribed a drug the trusted white coat hands them, then they can no longer vote!

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Rosalind McGill's avatar

Sounds like a rx I had . Provigil , didn’t like it, felt too much like cocaine! For a sleep disorder. A friend in her 20’s takes adderall, she’s a student teacher & is pretending to be a lesbian because she’s afraid of men , but I digress.

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devoalan's avatar

Love that. Pretending! It's true. So many are.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

There is a connection between ADHD and mouth breathers. That is likely why their gums were very red.

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Truthseeker's avatar

Isn’t that interesting… I wonder then if ADHD is related to nitric oxide levels in the brain 🧐

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Susan Catherine's avatar

Ah! I see. Interesting.

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Katrina the Hurricane's avatar

RFK Jr. Talked about the “drugification” (my word :) of America and related some of it to all the ads run by the pharmaceutical industry on TV, and, I presume, social media. New Zealand and the US have the highest amount of pharmaceutical advertising in the world. But we can see in our own country that doesn’t lead to healthier people. In fact, outcomes are worse. A pill for everything that ails us is not the way.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

I'm old enough to remember when drug adverteasing started and thinking OH my!! They have money to make telling the patient to "ask your Dr" for this that and EVERY MEDICATION!!

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Roger Beal's avatar

In 1985, our ever-helpful FDA ended the ban on mass media advertising for prescription drugs. Several offices were nicely redecorated on K Street that year.

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njresrie's avatar

Didn't know that. Just by coincidence, I believe it was in '86 when Congress passed the law(s) that shield Pharmakeia from any and all legal action for their products and behaviour

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Gaye's avatar

Adverteasing. 😂🤦‍♀️Good one!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Yep. I like free speech, but the promotion of pharmaceuticals needs to be reined in. Constantly pounded with infomercials about disease (asymptomatic even!), the odds are we’ll psych ourselves into hypochondriacs, if we haven’t already. “Ask your doctor” is code for “get drug dependent” and “let us inject you with our unsafe and ineffective vax.”

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Freebird's avatar

Reasonable….and do you notice how the drug commercials feature the most attractive, happy people…carefree and enjoying life to the fullest? See? Take this wonderful drug and you can be just like them!

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

That’s a fact. Ad agencies are getting ever more slick, sick, and twisted.

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devoalan's avatar

There was a day advertising prescription drugs was against the law. I can't remember which of our darling leaders fucked that up for us.

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Politico Phil's avatar

"Drugged up nation" - Of course the Gov't is paying for it. If they could mandate it's use they would. Just one more weapon in the subjugation of the American people. Everything the USG does is according to their Bolshevik agenda.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

They aren't paying for my and daughters asthma meds, appts, and when she had insurance they didn't even investigate the source which could be many other things which now appears to be infant Tylenol use. 😭

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Tonya's avatar

Tylenol is being named as the fall guy, but the way it is involved is often that it prevents detoxification from childhood vaccines by supressing glutathione.

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RJ Rambler's avatar

She has autism but not childhood vaccines!

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Tonya's avatar

I know of some others like that, as well. That's why I was careful about how I worded my comment, but wanted at least to mention the possibility for those who didn't know about the connection.

Have you watched the movie SPELLERS yet?

It's the inspiring documentary of 7 young adults with autism who learned a method of communication and are now able to let everyone know that they were capable of complex thought all along; they just had no way to show it.

Free to watch until Thursday @ thehighwire.com/watch

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Tonya's avatar

Tylenol is bad enough on its own, but its role in preventing detoxification from other substances makes it even worse, but also gives pharma a chance to distract consumers from the dangers of all their other products.

The Tylenol autism lawsuit is one example.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Seriously. I know we are to follow the government authorities according to the Bible but I am growing to hate gov.

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Politico Phil's avatar

That needs a bit more study in it's Biblical context. What is government? It is men. Nothing more. Who should you obey? Men or God? Jesus addressed this when He asked whose coin this was. In the Roman world, Caesar was god, he owned everything. When Jesus answered his own question and said render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's, He committed treason. This was the reason the Roman's crucified Him. For rebellion against Caesar. What Jesus was obviously saying is that God owns everything and Caesar is but a man.

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Roger Beal's avatar

The Bible instructs us to rspect the OFFICES of civil authorities. Respecting the INDIVIDUALS holding those offices, not so much. Hence Jesus' little run-in with the money-changers in the temple.

How any self-described Christian could respect a man masquerading as a "good Catholic" and a civil authority - one who uses the police power of government to force "gender affirmation" and wholesale infanticide - is beyond me.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

Amen Phil. I appreciate the response as I truly do need a better understanding of what this means. I’d love any wise, supplemental texts on this too. Thank you again. 💕

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RunningLogic's avatar

Well but if they do evil things are we supposed to follow them and enable them? 😕 I would think not in that case.

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Lisa Ca's avatar

I totally know. Its a dilemma I have every time.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

I felt the same until I looked at Romans 13 again. “For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil.”

That is not a description of our “rulers” and “authorities.” They are clearly not God’s ministers. Instead of bearing the sword against evil, they raise the sword of evil against God’s people. I see no Biblical mandate to subject ourselves to them. We the people are the rulers and authorities under our Constitution. We bear the legitimate sword.

As for rendering unto Caesar, I’d convert every dollar I have to a single and give it to George Washington if he’d run for office again.

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Loretta Thomas's avatar

The art of war

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Benjamin Two N's's avatar

Something Russia still has yet to learn 441 days into the 3 day war.

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OJen's avatar

Yup. I have a friend who is on it, as are her two kids and husband...she's been texting me for months completely freaking out because they can't get their fix. It's crazy. I have no idea what to say to her. As a friend I'm sympathetic to any suffering, but in my mind I'm thinking, you don't know me at all if you think I'm the person to turn to complain about this. I've worked extremely hard to support my family's health holistically without drugs-- no easy feat when two of us have chronic health challengers and one has ADHD.

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Annie's avatar

My friend told me several years back she wasn't happy and was going to the doctor to get "something. " I said why not figure out why you are not happy instead of a pill. She just looked at me like I lost my mind. She's still on her pills but now drinks very strong martinis each night. 🤔

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Jon Stephenson's avatar

Hopefully she will be open at some point to hearing the gospel (of natural living) which you are in a unique position to provide.

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Jamie's avatar

You could help by sharing your wisdom regarding dietary changes.

If they have any drugs left they should start researching how to safely ween off of them and make the life changes needed to live without them (YESTERDAY). It’s not going to get better! Just the facts. If she doesn’t want to do anything to help herself or her family she’ll stop asking you because she doesn’t want the answer!!!

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

I read an article that said that toxins, especially heavy metals, leach out through the bottoms of our feet, especially when we walk barefoot on grass and dirt.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Interesting! Especially considering how we suffocate our feet in chemically saturated fabric and leather all day. No wonder my feet ache.

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OJen's avatar

Great advice that she'll never listen to. She also told me how mad she is at her mother for suggesting acupuncture. She just wants the drugs.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I just had a conversation with my functional medicine NP about that, people just wanting a “quick” fix and doctors being more than willing to give it to them 😕

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walk2write's avatar

I’ve been calling the quick fix thing “microwave mentality” ever since microwave ovens became common household appliances. Maybe there is something to those microwaves becoming prevalent around the same time as all these mental conditions—ADHD, autism, etc.

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Dianne Denson's avatar

Can you say..."Oxycontin"??

Remember the movie Dopesick??

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Jen's avatar

That's really sad and depressing. And not at all surprising. Yay Joe Biden's America. This is what they all wanted, right?

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Annie's avatar

Drugs are over-prescribed in my opinion. Suck it up people. Learn to deal with reality. Generally pills do not fix the problem.

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Gigi Gummerson's avatar

When my mother and husband died 2 weeks apart, I had all sorts of people telling me I should take something to ease my suffering...nope! I didn’t do it, isn’t death part of life? Get thru it one day at a time! Which I did, it’s now been 8 years. Im doing just fine!

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FourWinds's avatar

Those people wanted you on drugs for their benefit, not yours. The west simply does not deal with grief and would rather everyone stayed happy all the time, even if it means being doped up six ways till Sunday. It's almost like it's a sin to be sad or something, but sadness is a part of life. I got the same line when my mom died. It's infuriating. I am sorry about your husband and mother, though. That had to be so very hard.

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RunningLogic's avatar

Well said.

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Miss Teacup's avatar

It might be darker. Despair is an aspect of Sloth, one of the Seven Deadlies. Trap people via drugs into a major sin spiral and think of the implications! Goes for "wellness", too, which feeds vanity and pride. They all layer up so prettily. Skip the drugs, maybe learn to pray instead. Sorry for your losses.

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Annie's avatar

Exactly. Of course you are supposed to be upset or sad at that time. It's like they don't want you to express yourself or have human emotions.

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Credenda's avatar

It also circumvents the natural grieving process. There’s considerable evidence that taking antidepressants prolongs the course of grieving. Much better to rely on other kinds of support (God, family, friends, even pets) than to take substances that the manufacturers are clueless about. They really have no idea how they work nor do they care.

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Ripple's avatar

Especially pets. My kitties are an important part of my emotional well-being.

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daiva's avatar

Way too many think without thought that they owe their health to all the stuff medical 😢

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SB's avatar

Interesting. My husband's oncologist wants him on Adderall instead of dexamethasone because dex has so many side effects while they told us Adderall has none. No one ever mentioned it was addictive. Of course, he couldn't get it anyway so he's on Ritalin instead. Is that addictive as well? Last time I called for a refill, they said they can't get the generic of Ritalin, only the name brand. I guess people are resorting to Ritalin since they can't get Adderall. The Dr told us the only difference is the life of the drug or that Adderall is better time released (I can't remember, for people who take minimal drugs, cancer meds are overwhelming). Adderall lasts longer than Ritalin so he has to take Ritalin twice a day but would only need to take Adderall once.

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SA's avatar

I am shocked at the comments! How can so many c&c readers be on pharma drugs knowing what we know about the corrupt business? No, these drugs are not safe. Do not take them!

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SB's avatar

When your spouse gets diagnosed with rare stage 4 brain cancer, talk to me. It is a fine line we are walking and the immunotherapy actually has the cancer inactive. Believe me, I'm doing the best I can but he's permanently disabled. I wasn't working when he got cancer. Our lives were thrown completely upside down literally overnight. I returned to work fulltime last Aug because I have 2 minor children. I'd like to keep us fed and a roof over our heads. My life the last 3 weeks has been absolute chaos, mostly things out of my control. I have a huge deadline next Monday. So, if you know of anyone who would do all the research, tell us exactly what to do alternatively for a reasonable price, and guarantee it will work, please feel free to give me their name. My husband is on the dex and the ritalin because he can't get out of bed without it and we don't really know why. I am completely over my head swamped. I don't mean to sound like my husband's health isn't a priority but he can't help. EVERYTHING is on my shoulders now, everything. And I'm already about to lose my freaking mind so... come on over and take a walk in my world, any day.

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SA's avatar

I am so sorry you are going through this. Yes, I’d love to help you find a functional health doctor. If you don’t mind sharing, what area do you live in? I’d also nominate you for Jeff to multiply or set up a give send go for your functional medicine treatments. Many prayers for your family.

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SB's avatar

Raleigh area. Let's pause on the multiplying, but thank you. I only meant to point out that it is difficult for many reasons to completely abandon modern medicine. I recently got a book that discusses anecdotal findings of people who cured their cancer by severely changing their diet, etc. It was extremely overwhelming. If I had nothing else to do, I might try but I had to stop reading the book because it made me want to cry since it seems so impossible to do.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Praying for you now. You have my permission to do what you need to do. I was shamed and ridiculed for following the direction we took for 14 yrs, but nobody had the same siutation either. As parents, we did the research and all of those "well meaning" friends and foes are eating their words now! Keep your focus on God Almighty! He is our only hope.

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RunningLogic's avatar

I’m so sorry 😞 That’s got to be so incredibly hard 😞 I’m praying for you and your family.

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SB's avatar

Prayers appreciated.

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ViaVeritasVita's avatar

Reading this just now. Praying for God's healing touch for both husband and you. Asking that He give you strength, strengthen your faith in His plan, and heal your husband.

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Reasonable Horses's avatar

Prayers raised. Blessings and my sincere best wishes for you and your family. I pray your husband’s doctors are honorable and on the right track. I hope you're in contact with an expert I know. He completely healed a woman who “had suffered many things from many physicians.” His office is open 24/7/365, and you can reach Him at Mark 5:25-34.

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JW's avatar

I had a friend who was in his 40's on Adderall and he committed suicide after a few months of use. I wonder what the stats are for suicide/Adderall use?

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

FYI The generics of Ritalin and Adderall can be vastly different than brand. Many are worthless! Our child's neuro-pediatric-psychiatrist prescribed brand only because she and we could tell the difference. The brand name meds were NOT covered by our health insurance...so we were forced to pay out of pocket, $$$$$. Thankfully they are no longer needed, as coping skills taught by the therapist are still in use today. I could write a book about the maze we lived through. (Profound ADHD with comorbidities diagnosis). We saw many situations turn into nightmares when the prescribed meds were not used.... So, I have to put in my 2 cents here... those meds saved a life by helping calm the tempestuousness exhibited. Today, she is a very happy, business savvy, successful, non-college graduate with a six figure income. One we prayed for endlessly. I am deeply grateful. God's child.

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Jeff C's avatar

God bless your daughter and thank goodness things turned out ok.

I can't speak for everyone here but I think what most are objecting to is using mind-altering drugs as a treatment rather than a short-term stop gap tool. You mentioned yourself that the key was developing coping skills rather than the drugs (which suppressed anti-social behavior). No doubt drugs can be useful with broken impulse control but it's done by quelling emotions rather than actually fixing the problem. It can help keep the peace in the home but it doesn't actually correct the issue, that was done by her learning to deal with reality rather than denying it (i.e. the coping skills).

The goal of every drug started should be to stop using it. Drugs are poisons that can be very helpful when short-term, judiciously, and wisely applied. The problem now is that drugs are treated as fertilizers to be taken daily for decades. It's not by accident as that's where the money is.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

Cannot agree with you more! The saddest thing we discovered was how many local pediatricians dispense 1000's of Ritalin prescriptions, but not a single one ever recommends or referred them for therapy! Therapy should be required! It made all of the difference! And, not one of them had any idea the generics don't work the same as brand.

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SB's avatar

Sorry for the road you had to travel but so thankful for all of you that things turned out well. God bless you.

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Maggie Think of Me's avatar

That road was hard, but wonderfully paved with God's abundant grace. He is enough!

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Queen Hotchibobo's avatar

Read this. It was in my inbox this morning. If your husband is at all open to alternatives, the links might be helpful and this substack is full of alternative medicines.

https://open.substack.com/pub/robertyoho/p/229-vera-bradova-cured-her-lymphoma?r=jxp1p&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post

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SB's avatar

Not so much that we aren't open to it, a matter of time...

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Jamie's avatar

Yes. Those drugs will cause dependence and potentially problems if he lives through the cancer &/or other drugs the oncologist prescribed. That said many many of the drugs cause dependence, not just those labeled as “controlled”. Look at the big picture, not just this drug.

You have to decide based on your specific circumstances and what you’ve already started with the drug doctor. You are allowed to get second opinions and do your research. Lots of natural things can help even if he’s chosen to go with the drugs & “treatment”the oncologist recommended for him.

May God give you both discernment & guide the choices you’ll make moving forward. God strengthen them for the battle they’re facing. Amen

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GenEarly's avatar

Psycho-drugs from the Same Big Pharma that Brought you the Jab that Cures Life and the Covid Too!!! Shazaam.

Does ADDHDetc Exist OUTSIDE the USSA??? Just asking for a friend

genearly.substrack.com

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Neil Kellen's avatar

"America is a heavily drugged up nation."

That's a huge understatement. I'd go so far as to say the economy would nearly shut down for six months if there were a broad effort at reducing dependence.

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skeptic bruh's avatar

It sounds like it is time to ask the cartel for this much needed Adderall...

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Over it's avatar

There’s been an uptick in kids being put on adhd meds too. Parents are scrambling to get them filled. Also seeing more anxious & depressed (confused) kids, who are being put on meds.

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FourWinds's avatar

I'm betting a lot of that is due to the scamdemic and the nonsense being pushed at kids that they are no good in the body they were born in, so cut off sex organs. If they are being told they are evil if they are white or are disadvantaged simply because they are black, I'm sure that doesn't help the situation, either.

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Jeff C's avatar

Yes, like it's all by plan. Our kids are immersed in a sewer of a culture then we are told the answer to their perfectly understandable depressed reaction is to drug them. Sheer evil at work.

Get your kids out of public school now. Take them to a good bible-focused church with a strong youth program. Don't give them smart phones. Have strict home internet filtering and require all internet access only in a central open location. Get rid of cable TV. Don't let them hang out with the children of irresponsible parents. Don't watch the news in your home. Don't openly discuss upsetting and traumatic events outside of their control (or need to know) in front of them. Don't argue, fight, express bitterness, or be unkind frankly anytime but particularly in front of them. Don't ever tolerate disrespectful talk from them, but be there to discuss things openly if they are mature enough for the subject (always referring to God's word for direction).

It never ceases to amaze me that parents are shocked when their children go off the rails despite be raised by their peers, the school district, and the internet rather than the parents themselves.

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Leskunque Lepew's avatar

Especially inside the Beltway.

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Dianne Denson's avatar

Absolutely!!! I've been saying this for a long time. Seems like 90% of Americans are drug addicts. The doctors, big pharma & the media are all in collusion. But I mostly blame the doctors for being too lazy to make other recommendations to their patients instead of just prescribing a drug. Sad 😔.

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