This is going to sound weird, but the right forearm thing... y’all know I do medical massage and I am not exaggerating when I say that probably 80% of the people I work on who have an office job have extremely tight forearms on their mousing hand. Many of them have been diagnosed with tennis elbow. So I’m wondering if the muscle fatigue …
This is going to sound weird, but the right forearm thing... y’all know I do medical massage and I am not exaggerating when I say that probably 80% of the people I work on who have an office job have extremely tight forearms on their mousing hand. Many of them have been diagnosed with tennis elbow. So I’m wondering if the muscle fatigue is felt here because that muscle is already overly taut. Something to consider anyway.
Curious- are you also noticing an increase in shoulder pain? I know a jab-addict who suddenly started having should pain, and a year plus later had to have a shoulder replacement. Seems odd without an injury or longer lead time of pain(?)
Yep! I have worked on probably double the number of frozen shoulders and ‘idiopathic’ shoulder issues. I hate the word idiopathic, it means docs don’t know and can’t be bothered to figure it out. In this case, I mean that there wasn’t an injury that caused the pain. I’m interested to hear what the other massage therapists on here think, too.
Exactly, idiopathic, means some idiot does not understand the pathology.
Range of motion, releasing chonic tension, adjusting fixated joints and suggesting appropriate exercises. There is NOTHING better than standing Gyrotonic exercise, for the most mobile joint in the body, though the learning curve rather steep.
I’m having frozen shoulder issues right now. Not vaxxed. Seeing a massage therapist Tuesday. Any recommendations on how to explain this to the person I’ll be seeing so they can focus on healing me? Thank you so much 🙏
Well massage is as much art as science, and we have all taken different training. So there’s no one technique or anything. I’d suggest telling them that you’ve been diagnosed with this and your goal for the session is to improve mobility in that shoulder, back, and neck. Most massage therapists like knowing what your goal for the session is.
Frozen shoulder affects every muscle on the upper half of the affected side of the body. Neck, upper back, lower back, rotator cuff (obvs), lats, pecs, etc. The shoulder is the most mobile and complicated joint in the body, so when it’s not moving it’s a problem. It’s not a one session and done thing, it can take a while because frozen shoulder is neurological, your body just decides to freeze it up so we have to remind your brain that there’s nothing wrong and it’s ok to use those muscles. Make sure you keep doing stretches and exercises that your PT or chiro have given you, any work that you do in between massages will make a big difference. Good luck!
Valerie, frozen shoulder has anatomical origins that result in neurological complications. Gyrotonic has no close second, have seen and used them all, for 33 years. Weight training by someone who actually has good observational skills. Soft tissue, specific work by someone who actually understands what they are doing. Joint mobilization and manipulation by someone who is skillful...
It’s neuro muscular, so docs can only do so much. It’s more of a chiro/PT/massage thing. Kudos to you for fixing it yourself! Most people need some help.
This is THE BEST thing you can do for you shoulder health! I recommend dead hanging all the time. You don’t have to do your whole body weight, either, although the goal would be to work up to that.
Dead hanging is simply a distraction technique that is quite useful.
Regaining ROM is not accomplished, hence it is palliative and preventive, but not in the same league as Gyro which facilitates complete ROM while articulating the global spine...
Kelli absolutely! I (unjabbed) saw an orthopedic specialist for chronic bursitis in one shoulder a few months after I had gotten over Covid in 21’. I asked the PA if they were seeing any cases related to people having had covid. He said no, BUT definitely YES in the Covid vaccinated.
A lot of unvaccinated people I know, including myself and my young son had left shoulder pain right before getting “sick”…it came out of nowhere and I couldn’t even close my car door… lasted 2 days with ivermectin 🤷🏻♀️
That’s not my area of expertise, I stick to neurological/physiological issues, but it’s well established that pain comes from the brain so you’re probably correct.
pain does not "come" from the brain, it originates from pain receptors at the insult, passes up the cord, and is interpreted in specific brain areas. The issue is that pathways are established and difficult to remediate.
How can I find a medical massage therapist for my daughter? One day, just sitting on the couch she was unable to move her arms. She can use her arms now but not her hands. Nobody can tell us what the heck it even is. We’re running out of doctors and now she’s on meds that make her sleep 20+ hours a day. If you could point me in any direction that may help I would be so grateful. We are in East central Florida and travel is an option.
Well medical massage therapists are most often found in chiro offices, PT offices, and in private practice. You could possibly find one in a hospital, but from what I’ve seen those are normally more specialized, like oncology therapists or lymphatic drainage specialists. However, not being able to use her arms sounds neurological. Massage can help with the muscular repercussions of neurological issues, but you definitely need to get her a cervical MRI first and see what’s going on (arm nerves come through the cervical spine). Chiropractors can order MRIs, fyi.
Does your daughter do sports? Have neck or shoulder pain? Or is it just the inability to use her arms? Also, how old is she?
This is really scary for you guys, I’m so sorry you haven’t been able to get any answers.
Thank you so much for replying. I will investigate these areas to find a medical massage therapist. She’s had cervical mris and really every part of her has some scan or mri. On paper she’s the healthiest person you ever saw. Doctors have no idea. I’ll keep plugging. Again, thank you. I know there’s help out there, we just have to find the right person.
My first vax injury with TDaP was a sore arm for a month. My second vax injury with the same shot was arm locked down for a month. Was advised by a nurse never to get another but caved due to a puncture wound. That time my immune system went crazy - sickest I've ever been - and got autoimmune as a result. The arm injuries are recognized as vax injuries. It may be muscle fatigue - and maybe not. I think about the possibility of your muscle fatigue comment as reactivating a trauma the body experienced by the shots, or perhaps some "goodies" still left behind there by the shots doing something. I also think about the vax injured who report old injuries that had healed getting reactivated.
I have a knot in the middle of my back on the right side. I know it is from mouse usage. I lean a specific way in order to keep my mouse arm free. I've been doing this over 20 years. 2 massage therapists and one chiropractor doing dry needling haven't busted up this ultra-tender knot.
It’s probably because you continue to do the same movements/postures outside of your appts. Massage and chiro work best when people work at home in between- stretches, strengthening, changing their postures, etc. Also, often what feels like a trigger point under the shoulder blade is either weak rhomboids (the muscles that pull your shoulder blades towards your spine) from poor posture and tight pecs, or a tight subscap (rotator cuff muscle that’s on the underside of your scapula) that’s causing the shoulder blade to not move freely along the ribcage.
It can cause headaches, definitely. From the literature I’ve read, people nowadays tend to not exhale fully and we also tend to breathe shallowly or hold our breath. It can cause lots of muscular issues around the neck and skull, including headaches.
I can't stop the mouse usage as I'm a computer programmer. Although, I'm thinking in another 5 years I'll move on to something else. I have no need for my salary.
I didn't know it was there until the massage therapist found it. I saw her regularly for 10 years and it wasn't obvious it was there at first.
Basic anatomical reality is that the extensor muscles and tendons of the forearms hold tension from repetitive stress, overuse, and perhaps psychological imputs. Same for the flexors of the leg.
There are many reasons. It requires skill to strip the muscles and provides near immediate relief.
Then the person goes right back to what caused the problem and repeats...
I’ve often wondered if my right forearm pain is due to the fact that I spend all day every day on the computer (data engineer). It’s nice to have some confirmation of my theory. I’m retiring in about 6 weeks, so it will be interesting to see if it improves!
I bet it is! I have some excellent exercises you can do on yourself for it, but I’m not of the ‘post everything on instragram’ generation so I have no way of showing you. Sigh.
Tight forearms on their mousing hand is a possibility.
Something else to think of… I’ve often wondered how the smart phone generation, as they age, will possibly deal with severely painful arthritic thumbs 👍🏼 👍🏼from excessive typing with their thumbs on their phones daily. (I type on my tablet using all my fingers instead of typing on a little phone with my thumbs, except on rare occasions.)
This is going to sound weird, but the right forearm thing... y’all know I do medical massage and I am not exaggerating when I say that probably 80% of the people I work on who have an office job have extremely tight forearms on their mousing hand. Many of them have been diagnosed with tennis elbow. So I’m wondering if the muscle fatigue is felt here because that muscle is already overly taut. Something to consider anyway.
Curious- are you also noticing an increase in shoulder pain? I know a jab-addict who suddenly started having should pain, and a year plus later had to have a shoulder replacement. Seems odd without an injury or longer lead time of pain(?)
Yep! I have worked on probably double the number of frozen shoulders and ‘idiopathic’ shoulder issues. I hate the word idiopathic, it means docs don’t know and can’t be bothered to figure it out. In this case, I mean that there wasn’t an injury that caused the pain. I’m interested to hear what the other massage therapists on here think, too.
I wondered if the root word of idiopathic was “idiot”. Seems about right.
Exactly, idiopathic, means some idiot does not understand the pathology.
Range of motion, releasing chonic tension, adjusting fixated joints and suggesting appropriate exercises. There is NOTHING better than standing Gyrotonic exercise, for the most mobile joint in the body, though the learning curve rather steep.
the word I hate worse than idiopathic is IATROGENIC. @
indeed, they are in the same file folder, both designed to have one look elsewhere. They are stupid word salad, do not drink the kool aid...
Right? Although I do think ‘whoops I messed up and now you have a real problem’ is worse than ‘I have no idea why this happened.’
Ugh, yes.
I’m having frozen shoulder issues right now. Not vaxxed. Seeing a massage therapist Tuesday. Any recommendations on how to explain this to the person I’ll be seeing so they can focus on healing me? Thank you so much 🙏
Well massage is as much art as science, and we have all taken different training. So there’s no one technique or anything. I’d suggest telling them that you’ve been diagnosed with this and your goal for the session is to improve mobility in that shoulder, back, and neck. Most massage therapists like knowing what your goal for the session is.
Frozen shoulder affects every muscle on the upper half of the affected side of the body. Neck, upper back, lower back, rotator cuff (obvs), lats, pecs, etc. The shoulder is the most mobile and complicated joint in the body, so when it’s not moving it’s a problem. It’s not a one session and done thing, it can take a while because frozen shoulder is neurological, your body just decides to freeze it up so we have to remind your brain that there’s nothing wrong and it’s ok to use those muscles. Make sure you keep doing stretches and exercises that your PT or chiro have given you, any work that you do in between massages will make a big difference. Good luck!
Valerie, frozen shoulder has anatomical origins that result in neurological complications. Gyrotonic has no close second, have seen and used them all, for 33 years. Weight training by someone who actually has good observational skills. Soft tissue, specific work by someone who actually understands what they are doing. Joint mobilization and manipulation by someone who is skillful...
I just worked mine out at the gym. Had it years ago and did some research rather than visit a doc that wouldn’t do anything anyway
It’s neuro muscular, so docs can only do so much. It’s more of a chiro/PT/massage thing. Kudos to you for fixing it yourself! Most people need some help.
and that is possible though also problematic as injury is one poorly thought out move away...
Thank you so much 🙏🙏🙏
You’re welcome! Hope it’s helpful.
Everything you described is what’s happening to me. I have more hope now than I did prior to your response and that is huge. 😊😊
I hope it really helps and you get through it quickly!
Hang from a bar (not the cocktail kind). Look this up and how it can benefit shoulders.
This is THE BEST thing you can do for you shoulder health! I recommend dead hanging all the time. You don’t have to do your whole body weight, either, although the goal would be to work up to that.
Dead hanging is simply a distraction technique that is quite useful.
Regaining ROM is not accomplished, hence it is palliative and preventive, but not in the same league as Gyro which facilitates complete ROM while articulating the global spine...
Kelli absolutely! I (unjabbed) saw an orthopedic specialist for chronic bursitis in one shoulder a few months after I had gotten over Covid in 21’. I asked the PA if they were seeing any cases related to people having had covid. He said no, BUT definitely YES in the Covid vaccinated.
what you discovered is inflammation in a joint made worse
Since shoulder problems are common it does not make the specific case that there is a shoulder Quaxcine link...
It is far more likely that we are witnessing a weak link phenomena.
Even though there are predictable repeats.
Could be. Most people have an "Achilles Heel." (Or several.)
And that seems to be what goes first.
A lot of unvaccinated people I know, including myself and my young son had left shoulder pain right before getting “sick”…it came out of nowhere and I couldn’t even close my car door… lasted 2 days with ivermectin 🤷🏻♀️
If you work on that many jabbed I hope you follow the shedding protocol!!!
what you have stated is the truth, very well known protocols
Which protocol do you follow?
Flccc.com
Thanks. I'm around so many jabbed I must be swimming in it. Thankfully still in good health.
Thank goodness!!!! Highly recommend that site:)
the forearms also hold emotions in them, per my chiropractor. Emotions like betrayal, grief.
Interesting correlation.
your chiro is exactly correct, even more common are the hamstrings particulary in men
That’s not my area of expertise, I stick to neurological/physiological issues, but it’s well established that pain comes from the brain so you’re probably correct.
pain does not "come" from the brain, it originates from pain receptors at the insult, passes up the cord, and is interpreted in specific brain areas. The issue is that pathways are established and difficult to remediate.
How can I find a medical massage therapist for my daughter? One day, just sitting on the couch she was unable to move her arms. She can use her arms now but not her hands. Nobody can tell us what the heck it even is. We’re running out of doctors and now she’s on meds that make her sleep 20+ hours a day. If you could point me in any direction that may help I would be so grateful. We are in East central Florida and travel is an option.
Visceral massage is amazing if you can find someone
you have not run out of doctors, you simply are choosing the wrong profession... Medicating a child is beyond stupid
Paul - Perhaps you could suggest an alternative profession that could help this parent
Well medical massage therapists are most often found in chiro offices, PT offices, and in private practice. You could possibly find one in a hospital, but from what I’ve seen those are normally more specialized, like oncology therapists or lymphatic drainage specialists. However, not being able to use her arms sounds neurological. Massage can help with the muscular repercussions of neurological issues, but you definitely need to get her a cervical MRI first and see what’s going on (arm nerves come through the cervical spine). Chiropractors can order MRIs, fyi.
Does your daughter do sports? Have neck or shoulder pain? Or is it just the inability to use her arms? Also, how old is she?
This is really scary for you guys, I’m so sorry you haven’t been able to get any answers.
Thank you so much for replying. I will investigate these areas to find a medical massage therapist. She’s had cervical mris and really every part of her has some scan or mri. On paper she’s the healthiest person you ever saw. Doctors have no idea. I’ll keep plugging. Again, thank you. I know there’s help out there, we just have to find the right person.
Try ivermectin 🤷🏻♀️
My first vax injury with TDaP was a sore arm for a month. My second vax injury with the same shot was arm locked down for a month. Was advised by a nurse never to get another but caved due to a puncture wound. That time my immune system went crazy - sickest I've ever been - and got autoimmune as a result. The arm injuries are recognized as vax injuries. It may be muscle fatigue - and maybe not. I think about the possibility of your muscle fatigue comment as reactivating a trauma the body experienced by the shots, or perhaps some "goodies" still left behind there by the shots doing something. I also think about the vax injured who report old injuries that had healed getting reactivated.
A friend who was an ER doc during covid and had an arm issue for months after his 2nd covid shot.
interesting concept of friendship...
What?
I have a knot in the middle of my back on the right side. I know it is from mouse usage. I lean a specific way in order to keep my mouse arm free. I've been doing this over 20 years. 2 massage therapists and one chiropractor doing dry needling haven't busted up this ultra-tender knot.
It’s probably because you continue to do the same movements/postures outside of your appts. Massage and chiro work best when people work at home in between- stretches, strengthening, changing their postures, etc. Also, often what feels like a trigger point under the shoulder blade is either weak rhomboids (the muscles that pull your shoulder blades towards your spine) from poor posture and tight pecs, or a tight subscap (rotator cuff muscle that’s on the underside of your scapula) that’s causing the shoulder blade to not move freely along the ribcage.
At first yes, I did nothing else. But I do daily exercises now.
My knot is lower than the rhomboids. Probably another 4 or 5 inches lower.
Would this cause migraines?
https://blocktherapy.com/
Amazing stuff here!!
It can cause headaches, definitely. From the literature I’ve read, people nowadays tend to not exhale fully and we also tend to breathe shallowly or hold our breath. It can cause lots of muscular issues around the neck and skull, including headaches.
Also, breathing correctly is a huge issue with neck and thoracic pain sometimes.
that is true, its autonomic, very difficult to remediate
The Yogis spend decades
the "knot" is scar tissue
as you mentioned repetitive stress over 20 years
It is likely that "they" stopped its progression which is very useful
That said the problem is resolvable. The question is whether you are undoing their work
bu continuing the mouse usage. Most people do not change or modify bad habits.
Would have been much easier had you sought care much earlier...
I can't stop the mouse usage as I'm a computer programmer. Although, I'm thinking in another 5 years I'll move on to something else. I have no need for my salary.
I didn't know it was there until the massage therapist found it. I saw her regularly for 10 years and it wasn't obvious it was there at first.
I should have said ‘extremely tight forearm extensors’.
My first thought was heart attack.
Turbo cancer?
Several top tier published Cardiologists and Oncologists are calling it as such.
It means that the lesions are super aggressive and often lethal in weeks or a month.
There is evidence of remedy. Not publishing that here...
HA refers, but this acute not chronic
I believe that’s left arm pain 🤔
you are correct
Basic anatomical reality is that the extensor muscles and tendons of the forearms hold tension from repetitive stress, overuse, and perhaps psychological imputs. Same for the flexors of the leg.
There are many reasons. It requires skill to strip the muscles and provides near immediate relief.
Then the person goes right back to what caused the problem and repeats...
Exactly! That’s why I give my clients suggestions for things to do at home, and suggestions for how they can modify their working posture.
I’ve often wondered if my right forearm pain is due to the fact that I spend all day every day on the computer (data engineer). It’s nice to have some confirmation of my theory. I’m retiring in about 6 weeks, so it will be interesting to see if it improves!
I bet it is! I have some excellent exercises you can do on yourself for it, but I’m not of the ‘post everything on instragram’ generation so I have no way of showing you. Sigh.
https://blocktherapy.com/
Amazing stuff here
Tight forearms on their mousing hand is a possibility.
Something else to think of… I’ve often wondered how the smart phone generation, as they age, will possibly deal with severely painful arthritic thumbs 👍🏼 👍🏼from excessive typing with their thumbs on their phones daily. (I type on my tablet using all my fingers instead of typing on a little phone with my thumbs, except on rare occasions.)
Or the scroll-with-your-thumb motion on a phone. Mine is telling me I've done too much of *something* with it.
I find trigger points in the thumbs all the time, and I can’t help asking ‘soooo how much time do you spend on your phone?’