Joseph, with respect you are wrong. There absolutely is such a thing as race with quantifiable differences between them. There is large overlap, but GENERALLY there are definable characteristics that people of a common race share. Some behavioral differences result from culture no doubt, but even when normalizing for cultural influences, strong differences remain.
All people are loved by God and made in his image as the Bible declares. But please don't make observably false statements such as "there is no such thing as race". Anyone who lives in reality knows this isn't true.
In medicine, we used to be taught that there were biological differences between races and sexes regarding such things as which blood pressure drug worked best. Some blood test parameters vary as well. I read not long ago that (a lab? some labs?) were doing away with reporting separate result ranges for normal results, so those with less experience, a poorer memory for numbers, or lack of access to pre-DEI lab value ranges might miss a significant problem in a patient. It's true that there are more and more mixed-race people, so with a lot of time there may indeed be less need for careful evaluation of lab values and dug effects, but in the meantime it's just one more example of ignoring reality to virtue-signal, but in a very dangerous way.
This is a significant problem and it reared its ugly head with regard to kidney transplant patients. The definition of renal failure varies depending on a persons genetic race in that what is “normal” value for African American patient would be in the failure or near failure range for Caucasian patients. This was kicking white people out of line for kidney transplant when they were far sicker than their African American counterparts who were fairly renally stable.
So, you want to use these medically observed differences to define race. Explain to me how genetic variability in the human race becomes the basis for maintaining that there is therefore a whole new species or race. This is logical junk.
Please define "race" for me and then explain how that all works to your position... in a logical manner. I only ask in the hopes that, perhaps, you may rethink your presuppositions about reality.
"A longstanding orthodoxy among social scientists holds that human races are a social construct and have no biological basis. A related assumption is that human evolution halted in the distant past, so long ago that evolutionary explanations need never be considered by historians or economists."
A scientist does not speak for science. The disparate physical characteristics of races have application today in many different ways, and suseptibility to disease.
The spiritual nature is however universal, as are the flaws and dark side of mankind.
Jeff - and Fl Man - with respect, this is wrong. This is a fallacy of woke racism and Marxist division. We are using the wrong definition of "race". There is ONLY one human race - period. If...all of humanity came from one set of parents then there can be only one human race. Of course, I'm referring to the Biblical account. I have also seen genetic studies that concluded that all of mankind originally came from one set of parents. WE ARE ALL RELATED. Classifying observable differences in the human race as "races" is an erroneous definition and plays right into the hands of the Marxists and the eugenicists.
I think you're wrong biologically, Phil; how about dog breeds? Presumably, there was one Ur-dog, one 'kind' ("two of every kind," Gen. 6:20a, as explained by Answers in Genesis below; variety among 'kinds' is also explained there, or simply by watching people create new breeds of all kinds of domestic animals in our lifetimes). Dog breeds now are so different from one another that a food or medicine that can be given to most can be fatal in others. That came about by breeding in isolation, as happened with humans over time in geographic areas that were far apart. Dogs are also all related, so much so that they can physically breed among themselves, but that doesn't erase the differences between Collies, Chihuahuas, and Central Asian Shepherd Dogs. Humans are all "created equal," because we are all made in the image of God. That doesn't make us equal materially on Earth, in many respects, though we are biologically very similar. See my other comment in this thread about race and sex differences in lab values and medication effects.
Biologically? Of course. I am biologically quite different from my own children and I daresay have different medical or drug tolerances. But that doesn't mean they are a new "race". Again, this is a problem of definition. "One kind" or one race. Ever see a dog breed with a cat? (I'm sure there is a eugenics lab somewhere trying to cross-breed such abominations in spite of that.) Ever see different "dog breeds" breed with each other? Again, of course. We call them mutts. Biological differences do not define race. Is there a "Spanish race" or an "African race" or a "Russian race" or, in my case, a "Celtic race" or, and here is where the manipulators get really ugly, a "White race" or a "Black race" or a "Yellow race"??? If we allow our language that defines our perception of reality to be manipulated by evil which wants to turn God's reality on it's head then we will never be free of the woke Marxism that has taken over our culture.
Phil, you are being purposely obtuse. You counter a population-level trait with one within a nuclear family? Race is biological and physiological, and it's the result of separate breeding populations over very long periods of time. It's a convenient word to encompass books worth of information. Race : breed as human : dog. It has nothing to do with denying Scripture.
There are different looking people, there are different cultures...there are all kinds of different genetic combinations resulting in different biological and physiological characteristics but I challenge you to prove to me that they are alien races from each other! All of these genetic differences are contained in the very genetic code in your own body. WHY? Because we are all from the same family - breed - race - however you label it, we are all human and in that sense, there is NO DIFFERENCE IN GOD'S EYES. We are human beings - one race.
The worst part of your statement is that "It has nothing to do with denying Scripture." It has everything to do with Scripture. God created all mankind in Adam and Eve. Unless you deny that, God's Word tells us that we are all from the SAME PARENTS or the same gene pool. One cannot say we are different races without subverting language and logical thought.
Please Phil, you know I didn't say that as my other lengthy comment makes clear. Your comment is absurd.
Starting a response with "So... (completely misstate what the person said) is a pretty tired strawman trick, thought you were above that. Guess not. Shame as we've had great discussions on here respectfully in the past.
Here is something to consider, Biblically, and something I wonder about.
Why did God tell the Israelites in the early OT not to mix with others and many times were told to destroy everything and take nothing? Was it to protect them from evil, meaning all they had was defiled? Was it only for religeous reasons? Couldn't they just believe in God and denounce other gods?
God would leave the flock for just one if it could be saved which means none could be saved. Sodom & Gomorrah is another example as Abraham could not find ONE righteous person. God already knew.
Also, since there were giants created by the fallen angels having relations with women, did the giants have offspring?
I believe the Book of Enoch goes into more detail but Jude 1:4-6 speaks of ungody people designated to pervert and deny God's grace. Are they devil's seed or did God already know their choices to predestine them?
4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—
Perhaps all we need to know is that it was God who ultimately separated us for His own reasons (at the tower of Babel, by language) and again, "when the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel" Deut 32:8 AND we see that He will bring us back together again. "of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues" a few times (Rev 5:9, 7:9}
Phil - I disagree with you here, though it may be a matter of semantics. Perhaps race is not the correct terminology, maybe a better one is tribes (though that is not quite right either).
Like you, I believe we all came from a common parents as the Bible plainly states. I reject evolution as an explanation of how we came to be, however it is eminently clear *adaptation* takes place. Adaptation is when an organism changes over short timescales to be more suited to it's environment. We see obvious signs of adaptation all around us, Darwin's finches being the classic example. While Darwin was wrong in his overall conclusions (evolution), his observations regarding adaptation are clearly true.
Human groups were isolated from each other for tens of thousands of years (or longer) before long-distance travel became commonplace. These groups adapted differently; physically attributes, intelligence types, emotional development, and spiritually. Though we are all humans and children of God, we have different GENERAL characteristics. Not completely different as there is large overlap, but the averages are different in quantifiable measures.
This wasn't invented by Marxists but is obviously true to anyone who cares to look. The Marxists haven't created "race" (or tribes or whatever you want to call it) but have used it as a cudgel to turn people against each other. For example, Whites are to blame for the failures of Blacks while the differences between the "races" are ignored. Then at the same time, they also say race is irrelevant and that any shortcoming by an ethnic group can only be explained by discrimination. They do this while pretending obvious counter-example such as Black dominance in the NBA and the NFL don't exist (which points to different physical attributes between races).
I really respect your opinion Phil but I think you have this one exactly backwards. Marxists didn't invent race, it's been around since human groups separated after the fall. What they invented was using it as tool of manipulation and guilt.
I agree and thank you for a more incisive examination of human traits. A false construct of the concept of race has been a lie of Satan for thousands of years to divide us and pit us against each other. It is obviously a difficult contortion of reality to deal with semantically as a result. As I said at the beginning, this is all about defining our terms properly. The variability of the human race is no excuse for pitting us against each other as alien enemies strictly on the basis of physical differences.
As an aside, I would argue that our differences aren't so much an "evolutionary adaptation" as it is simply genetic differences being reinforced through the homogeneity maintained within certain populations.
1) The insanity of Woke is their contradictory Woke assertion that number one (1) we are all alike, and (2) we are all different ... and all at the same ... and according to whatever 'agenda' and/or 'narrative' is being pushed in any given instance.
2) The other observation is that people seem to understand what grouping they are in ... and without having to be tutored in what or who they are. They by evidences seen just know automatically. They manifestly self-identify. Chinese people, for example, never mistake themselves for Africans; and Africans don't think that they are Chinese. And it does little good to argue over labels, because people know who they are and what broad category they belong to ... label or no label.
3) The Left many years ago, in an early rush to proto-inclusiveness were ever so fond of pointing out that the genetic difference between apes and chimps (etc.) and Man was only two some percent in genetic make-up. We were suppose to oo and ah over this great discovery of fact in some pseudo-fit of brotherhood, solidarity, equality ... or whatever. However, the more astute among us could equally and more properly state with absolute certainty that 'little differences make for big differences'. And just something to think about.
4) I note Fla Mom quite is quite correct as to practical observations in medicine. And in general, I overall quite concur with the general drift of Fla Mom's comment. Furthermore, bio-weapon engineers well understand that we are all not the same, otherwise they could not design weapons for group selectivity. And these same people seem to understand that little differences has large scale, over-arching significance.
5) No ... Marxists did not make up race. The have merely appropriated what the foot traffic says observably exists, twisted it around, and appropriated it unto their own warped purposes, with divide and conquer being one of them.
This is one of the most difficult topics to speak on because people have been so long propagandized out of their gourds, and thus losing the ability to either think or believe what they see with their own eyes.
And in many ways, this topic is similar to C19 blindness where people could not see the idiocy of the most simple of things, like wearing the mask from the restaurant door to the table, taking it off while eating ... and then put the mask back on from the table to the exist the restaurant. Go figure!
When I was involved in formal debate in college, the first thing we had to get straight before even engaging in a moderated debate was getting our terms clearly defined. We had to be taught to be precise in our definitions and our use of language or the debate would veer away from the issues to a mish-mash of rhetoric that went nowhere. Today, this is a huge challenge.
Excellent point. In American, nothing is defined. Just be for this or that. It's the science. It is global warming. Nothing defined, no real history. And above all, no Godly moral order.
Well now! We will see come Vote day to President Installation Day.
And let's see. The Russians would be real smart to deliver Good-Bye Biden and the Cackling Animal Cracker a real disaster to sum of their incompetent Reign of Disasters. And Tulsi, God love here. She has a real heart.
race is a nicer way to say it than "breed", as in dogs. We all know that all dogs can interbreed, different breeds just have different morphological characteristics
There are many mysteries we will just have to wonder about.
I wonder if there is a seed of satan. Could some be of fallen angel blood? They (elite, royalty) do keep their bloodline pure and do not mix with commoners. Something to ponder...
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
This topic gets spiky quickly. Regarding heritable traits, the evidence I am familiar with makes clear there is no marker for "race". We see "race". What our genes (and God) sees is remarkable consistency at the level of DNA. Evidence claiming significance regarding other differences that I have encountered suffer from serious logical flaws. This is to say nothing about the evidence for epigenetic adaptations, which pose other serious challenges to presumptions about fixed, heritable traits. What we have, overwhelmingly in common, is our capacity for adaptation. All other differences redound to variations on a theme, so many genetic alleles for this or that attribute like hair and eye color. All adaptations to environmental conditions, God only cares about so far as He cares equivalently for us all.
Oh my, thank you so much! You definitely have a superior background by which to explain this as compared to my feeble attempts. "Regarding heritable traits, the evidence I am familiar with makes clear there is no marker for "race". We see "race"."
I'm just going to leave it at that. That sums it all up. However, please feel free to elaborate.
Yes, exactly. To take the rainbow as an analogy: there are different colors, though the exact borders are fuzzy.
To claim there is no such thing as race is the same as declaring that there are no different colors in the rainbow in spite of how obvious they are.
I understand the sentiment of wanting human unity, but race is obviously real, and there are significant measurable and visible differences between the different races.
Again, define "race" for me. I am not advocating a sentiment. I am trying to point out reality and represent it semantically in an accurate manner. Not to nit-pick but the rainbow analogy really doesn't carry any water. If anything, it reinforces my statement that there is only one human race with lots of variability. What IS a race?
The great equalizer is that we are all children of God.
My statement was aimed at an observably false claim (no such thing as race) that is unicorn thinking. We don't improve things in life by wishing away reality and pretending demonstrably true facts aren't real. We accept reality and deal with it.
God "made" or created only one set of parents. He "made" no others. There is only one human race. We have to get these definitions straight. Just because all my children look and behave and sound differently does not mean they are all from different parents or are of different races.
Look...God created one race of people with a genetic woodpile so diverse and varied that there are ALL kinds of different looking "humans". Point is, WE ARE ALL HUMANS. And the varied combination of genetics is ONGOING. This is not a static reality that happened once. Our God-given gene pool is constantly combining to produce new and varied results that evil people want to use to divide us. This is important.
Phil, I would say that the development of different races from the one set of parents still supports the statement that God “created” different races, albeit through Divine Intent or will. He certainly built a diverse genetic code into those first parents, and apparently the resulting diversity was furthered by the very human characteristic of like being attracted to like. And one would guess that the differing races developed early in the history of mankind. By the time of Moses there was an Ethiopian race, from which his wife is said to have sprung.
Great rationalization but it doesn't hold up. You are mis-defining "race". Does that make them non-human or a lessor human or perhaps a superior human? Marxists and eugenicists would say yes. This was the whole basis for the willful extermination of the "Jewish race" by the "German" Nazis as...and I quote, "an inferior diseased race."
Here is the straight definition: there is only one Human Race. As it is written, so it shall be.
Your wife's background is from the Ethiopian culture which has similar cultural and genetic characteristics which I assume are different from yours. So what? Because you are both of the human race, I also assume you two have no problem breeding together. The term "race" is improperly used in your example.
If one believes that God guides all of history, then "All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being." John 1:3 Berean Literal
In Genesis 1, god makes man and woman at the same time. In Genisis 2 god, even though he could magically create all of the matter in the universe, ran out of materials and had to run to Lowes for a bag of topsoil from which to create a man. Then he had to steal a rib from man to use the stem cells to create a woman. Then man goes into woman a couple of times and they create two offspring. Then one of the offspring kills the other, so a third offspring magically appears. At this point, these are the only four people on the planet, supposedly. But magically the 'boys' go over the hill to the next town, wherever that came from, and found themselves some wives.
"Change the Reality". We often Do This Via Wars, but Is that the Only Way???
Anyone reading my posts may think I Contradict myself, but Holding 2 Thoughts that "appear" to be Contradictary at the same time is possibly a path to a new Reality of recognizing The Many Realities on planet Earth. "How" to deal with them, other than eliminating those other Realities, is Evolutionary/Enlightment. "Ideas, not Battles, Mark the advancement of Mankind" LRH
For better or worse, We are all "married" to living or dying with each other on this planet at this time.
I've been reading all the previous comments (including yours) and I'm throwing in my 2 cents. Having lived, worked, and spent lots of time in various countries with various "races" in terms of skin color/melanin content, what I came to believe is that it's about the specific CULTURE each person comes from, the one to which they are exposed in their earliest, most formative years. Cultures can be unique to various countries historically, but within each country there are numerous subcultures, or "tribes" so to speak. This was certainly true in the very tribal Middle Eastern countries I worked in, countries in which your allegiance is to your own small "tribe" more than to the nation itself. I've known so many people whose melanin was very dark, yet culturally they were very much like me. I've known people as white as I am who are entirely foreign to me culturally (such as radical leftists). People unknowingly and sometimes consciously adopt a particular culture and its viewpoints. This has nothing to do with "race". A white American radical leftist could adopt a Kenyan infant from a Masai tribe and raise it to be just like any American white or black, with exposure to all the same radical values and attitudes of his adoptive parents. To paraphrase Bill Clinton's comments about the economy, "It's the culture, stupid!" Having spent so much time in foreign cultures, this is certainly the viewpoint that evolved with my personal experience. As a college teacher in a Saudi Arabian university, I had a few students who had lived in the West for long periods of time and who held many sophisticated Western views, yet.....there would be so many instances in which I clearly saw their Saudi culture dominate various things. Their birth culture and the one to which they were initially exposed took precedence. In Saudi Arabia there was a great range of "races" and degrees of skin color. Many of their attitudes were strongly influenced by the Muslim religion and rigid culture that goes along with it, and the race of the various people had nothing to do with any of this.
I think this is why I feel so irritated at the constant idiocy pushed by the left about race-race-race.
Your personal experience has given you insight that most Americans do not understand, much less actually experience. Race is such a false construct without any basis in reality. Whereas, the Marxism of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was based on "class warfare", the Marxism of today's America is based on "race warfare". It is a lie and a complete manipulation. I just get frustrated that Christians who *should* know better are just as taken in as the rest.
Anyway, thanks for your comment. Much appreciated.
Any time I see a link without an explanation of it, I assume it’s spam. We’ve been seeing a lot of them here lately. I’ve had a couple of those in reply to my comments.
Yes, and it's the same scare-mongering paranoia (warranted or not) about covid added to our food or something along those lines. I can only freak out for a certain percentage of my day... I don't need additional paranoia. I need solutions.
If three skeletons are found, scientists can determine the race of each…
True story: A white man went to Mexico, murdered a Mexican male, burned the car which had been staged to look like an accident. He wanted to collect the insurance money. Forensics determined that the corpse wasn’t white. He was caught and convicted. I believe his wife was also involved.
“Uh, there’s no varied flavors of ice cream and no different foods on a menu. Just sit down and we bring you food. What kind of food? Just food. There’s no such thing as various types of food.”
(Sigh)...this is all an argument over definition. Language is so important and it is used every day to manipulate us. If we can't even get our definitions right then our conversation becomes futile. This is why we are so susceptible to the Orwellian manipulation of our thoughts... through language.
It's such a profound manipulation that has been drummed into our heads from kindergarten. And the last four years of Marxist racism drivel has been effective as a result. But at the same time, I see people across the color spectrum realizing the manipulation and are coming together. THIS is the "tribe" we must align with: those who think for themselves. This war is going to get ugly and we will be forced to set aside all the falsehoods if we are to survive.
I don't know how else to say it. We are all part of the same human family but people can't seem to get rid of the false paradigms that have been fed to us our whole lives through every medium possible and drummed into our heads. We don't think. We just repeat the BS we have been fed. I blame the churches because Christians have not been taught to think from first principles that are laid out in God's Revelation.
It's become so absurd that now they want us to believe that men can be women and women can be men. Come on!!! AND THEY ARE SERIOUS.
All I can say is that there is *a reckoning coming* and people who can't think their way out of these Satanic deceptions of language are not going to fare well. People need to set aside what "they know" and read the Bible as the only truth and read Orwell's "1984" and BEGIN to understand how our minds are being controlled.
Jeez, what is wrong with having different races of humans? Sounds like you’re virtue signaling. It’s a white thing. No other race feels the desperate need to say we’re all the same. People should celebrate their differences and diversity.
Go up to a black person and ask him if he’s identical to a white, Asian or Hispanic. lol. He wants to be who he is.
Cultures are very different among races. Look at China. The Chinese still practice slavery and murder people for their organs. They eat dogs.
Latinos & blacks, Muslims/browns have mostly third world countries. Their work ethic and culture are vastly different from predominantly white countries.
Yes, we are all human, but we are also different too -and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Btw: only the white race has diversity in eye (blue, green, hazel etc.) and hair (red, blonde, brown etc.) All other purebred races have black/brown hair and brown/black eyes.
"Jeez, what is wrong with having different races of humans? Sounds like you’re virtue signaling. It’s a white thing. No other race feels the desperate need to say we’re all the same. People should celebrate their differences and diversity."
Virtue signaling? A "white thing"? Seriously? I celebrate the diversity of God's creation, human beings being the supreme example and I think you'll see this if you read what I wrote. If there is any virtue signaling here, it is your statement that accuses. The bottom line question is, "How does that define different races?" Try evaluating your definition of "race" and see if perhaps my definition makes more sense.
Carried to it's extreme, this erroneous definition of race will logically lead to an infinite number of races within the human race. Now where have we heard that before? Oh yeah, now we are told there are an infinite number of "sexes"! See where that goes?
Ah, it it were only so .... How "decayed" or "Free" is a Spiritual Being stuck in a meat body subject to physical torture & wars, with daily economic duress ???
Though "the Pursuit of Happiness" does endure through the centuries of life on planet Earth.... and people like yourself do make the intolerable , tolerable but also hopeful for a better future. Thank you for persisting against all the odds.
How arrogant to claim that YOUR mythology, and its manipulated, revised and corrupted "bible" are the only truth. Read Biglino's "The Naked Bible" and then acknowledge that "christians" are a minority... even the jews they based their mythology on reject "christianity". Odd,,, no?
Dude, Liberty requires Freedom not just for self but others to have their beliefs. You are not "Required" to "Believe" as in a Tyrannical State. (which is about on top of us all)
We/Me/You are about to Lose our Liberties, and Christians are the Least of our concerns.
General... Freedom should also mean freedom from loudmouthed, insecure, frightened douchebags spewing their frantic BS, trying to earn "God-points", in venues that are not religion-based. So similar to door-to-door Jehovah's and solar sales-turds, nothing but irritants.
Yes, I am aware of the FUBAR that the world is in currently... sort of makes a guy wonder about "God so loved the world" stuff the harpies and douchebag Phil spout, no?
I don't mind taking a little extra time to slap down the simpering clowns.
"Freedom should also mean freedom from loudmouthed, insecure, frightened douchebags spewing their frantic BS" this is exactly what the ProgreSSive leftists spout about We/Me/You.
Freedom of Speech requires Tolerance of Stupidity as well as Tolerance of Hubris and that We do not Become what We fight. It's easy to do and requires Discernment to avoid.
This applies to Speech, not to Kinetic Actions, which does Require a No Toleration Defense of Life & Liberty.
I consider You and Pol Phil to Both be Patriots, and We need All the Friends We can Muster. Think on it.
They are ALL dogs. "Breed" is a linguistic convention by which we distinguish different characteristics. If different breeds crossbreed then I suppose you have a "half-breed". But it's still just a dog.
Good point. And to throw a funny wrench into this argument, since we are in the topic of dogs…in dog breeds, not only physical characteristics, but some behavioral characteristics appear to be genetic. My golden retriever fetched as a puppy, shepherds nip heels and herd kids and ducks and sheep, without being taught.
So my musing is, what in the human world is the parallel behaviorally? I come from a long line of nurses and became a doctor. Is that in my DNA? Are some families inherently friendlier? More aggressive? Just pondering….
I grew up in a scientific world, and struggled with faith.
An ex-lover of mine created an image of two "Christian" fishes kissing one another (one fish had legs), with the caption, "Creation Evolves. Love One Another". I thought that brought some light to the discussion.
I think the idea was that maybe Creation does evolve, post-creation. There is some evidence to support that, right? Even on a personal level, we evolve as we understand more about the world around us, we learn new skills and improve old ones. We come up with new technologies.
Or is everything we see, including the things we make with our own hands, God's creation? If that's the argument, I guess I don't have any more to to contribute.
You might be talking about "adaptation" as humans do adapt to their environment (such as heat in Africa, or cold in Russia or Alaska) but that's not evolution as a fish growing legs and walking out of the ocean and becoming a cow.
Some are extinct, much like in our lifetime animals have become extinct, but others such as 20 ft. crocs, rhinos, iguanas, meat eating monitor lizards, etc. remain with us
The Bible definitively speak of different races (ethnos) Now in the Kingdom to come, all will be equal, no man or woman, slave or free, Jew or gentile, IF THAT is what you mean....
All the trees are the same, too. They’re all maples. That one they call a magnolia? It’s just a maple with different shaped leaves. That one that brings forth syrup? It’s a maple that brings forth syrup. The one that looks just like it not doesn’t bring forth syrup? It’s a maple that has a glitch. The weepy-willowy looking one? It’s a maple with a DNA glitch, too. The one that has those pecans on it? It’s a pecan maple. Same tree, different seeds. They’re all the
Your perspective highlights the idea that all humans, regardless of their skin color or background, share a common humanity and are made in the image of a divine Creator, HaShem. This viewpoint emphasizes unity, equality, and the inherent dignity of every person, which can help foster mutual respect and understanding among people of diverse backgrounds. It's a reminder of the shared connection and value that exists within humanity.
There’s no such thing as race. White black all shades and colors. We’re all human being made in the image of HaShem.
Joseph, with respect you are wrong. There absolutely is such a thing as race with quantifiable differences between them. There is large overlap, but GENERALLY there are definable characteristics that people of a common race share. Some behavioral differences result from culture no doubt, but even when normalizing for cultural influences, strong differences remain.
All people are loved by God and made in his image as the Bible declares. But please don't make observably false statements such as "there is no such thing as race". Anyone who lives in reality knows this isn't true.
In medicine, we used to be taught that there were biological differences between races and sexes regarding such things as which blood pressure drug worked best. Some blood test parameters vary as well. I read not long ago that (a lab? some labs?) were doing away with reporting separate result ranges for normal results, so those with less experience, a poorer memory for numbers, or lack of access to pre-DEI lab value ranges might miss a significant problem in a patient. It's true that there are more and more mixed-race people, so with a lot of time there may indeed be less need for careful evaluation of lab values and dug effects, but in the meantime it's just one more example of ignoring reality to virtue-signal, but in a very dangerous way.
This is a significant problem and it reared its ugly head with regard to kidney transplant patients. The definition of renal failure varies depending on a persons genetic race in that what is “normal” value for African American patient would be in the failure or near failure range for Caucasian patients. This was kicking white people out of line for kidney transplant when they were far sicker than their African American counterparts who were fairly renally stable.
Thanks, run, that may indeed have been the example I was trying to recall but couldn't.
So, you want to use these medically observed differences to define race. Explain to me how genetic variability in the human race becomes the basis for maintaining that there is therefore a whole new species or race. This is logical junk.
Please define "race" for me and then explain how that all works to your position... in a logical manner. I only ask in the hopes that, perhaps, you may rethink your presuppositions about reality.
"A longstanding orthodoxy among social scientists holds that human races are a social construct and have no biological basis. A related assumption is that human evolution halted in the distant past, so long ago that evolutionary explanations need never be considered by historians or economists."
https://time.com/91081/what-science-says-about-race-and-genetics/
A scientist does not speak for science. The disparate physical characteristics of races have application today in many different ways, and suseptibility to disease.
The spiritual nature is however universal, as are the flaws and dark side of mankind.
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Oh absolutely. Even given just a single tooth, it is possible to distinguish European from African:
https://analyticalscience.wiley.com/content/news-do/human-teeth-europe-and-africa-different
And that's just one method. I've read that teeth also fluoresce differently between the different races.
❤️ Great point.
Jeff - and Fl Man - with respect, this is wrong. This is a fallacy of woke racism and Marxist division. We are using the wrong definition of "race". There is ONLY one human race - period. If...all of humanity came from one set of parents then there can be only one human race. Of course, I'm referring to the Biblical account. I have also seen genetic studies that concluded that all of mankind originally came from one set of parents. WE ARE ALL RELATED. Classifying observable differences in the human race as "races" is an erroneous definition and plays right into the hands of the Marxists and the eugenicists.
I think you're wrong biologically, Phil; how about dog breeds? Presumably, there was one Ur-dog, one 'kind' ("two of every kind," Gen. 6:20a, as explained by Answers in Genesis below; variety among 'kinds' is also explained there, or simply by watching people create new breeds of all kinds of domestic animals in our lifetimes). Dog breeds now are so different from one another that a food or medicine that can be given to most can be fatal in others. That came about by breeding in isolation, as happened with humans over time in geographic areas that were far apart. Dogs are also all related, so much so that they can physically breed among themselves, but that doesn't erase the differences between Collies, Chihuahuas, and Central Asian Shepherd Dogs. Humans are all "created equal," because we are all made in the image of God. That doesn't make us equal materially on Earth, in many respects, though we are biologically very similar. See my other comment in this thread about race and sex differences in lab values and medication effects.
https://answersingenesis.org/creation-science/baraminology/what-are-kinds-in-genesis/
Biologically? Of course. I am biologically quite different from my own children and I daresay have different medical or drug tolerances. But that doesn't mean they are a new "race". Again, this is a problem of definition. "One kind" or one race. Ever see a dog breed with a cat? (I'm sure there is a eugenics lab somewhere trying to cross-breed such abominations in spite of that.) Ever see different "dog breeds" breed with each other? Again, of course. We call them mutts. Biological differences do not define race. Is there a "Spanish race" or an "African race" or a "Russian race" or, in my case, a "Celtic race" or, and here is where the manipulators get really ugly, a "White race" or a "Black race" or a "Yellow race"??? If we allow our language that defines our perception of reality to be manipulated by evil which wants to turn God's reality on it's head then we will never be free of the woke Marxism that has taken over our culture.
Phil, you are being purposely obtuse. You counter a population-level trait with one within a nuclear family? Race is biological and physiological, and it's the result of separate breeding populations over very long periods of time. It's a convenient word to encompass books worth of information. Race : breed as human : dog. It has nothing to do with denying Scripture.
There are different looking people, there are different cultures...there are all kinds of different genetic combinations resulting in different biological and physiological characteristics but I challenge you to prove to me that they are alien races from each other! All of these genetic differences are contained in the very genetic code in your own body. WHY? Because we are all from the same family - breed - race - however you label it, we are all human and in that sense, there is NO DIFFERENCE IN GOD'S EYES. We are human beings - one race.
The worst part of your statement is that "It has nothing to do with denying Scripture." It has everything to do with Scripture. God created all mankind in Adam and Eve. Unless you deny that, God's Word tells us that we are all from the SAME PARENTS or the same gene pool. One cannot say we are different races without subverting language and logical thought.
Not true Phil, unless you deny species adaptation (not the same as evolution) takes place as I explain below.
So... you hold to Darwinian evolution of one species into another completely different species. Have fun with that.
Please Phil, you know I didn't say that as my other lengthy comment makes clear. Your comment is absurd.
Starting a response with "So... (completely misstate what the person said) is a pretty tired strawman trick, thought you were above that. Guess not. Shame as we've had great discussions on here respectfully in the past.
Nor did I ever say this about Darwinian evolution, citing Ken Ham's explanation of 'kind' in the Ark story.
Here is something to consider, Biblically, and something I wonder about.
Why did God tell the Israelites in the early OT not to mix with others and many times were told to destroy everything and take nothing? Was it to protect them from evil, meaning all they had was defiled? Was it only for religeous reasons? Couldn't they just believe in God and denounce other gods?
God would leave the flock for just one if it could be saved which means none could be saved. Sodom & Gomorrah is another example as Abraham could not find ONE righteous person. God already knew.
Also, since there were giants created by the fallen angels having relations with women, did the giants have offspring?
I believe the Book of Enoch goes into more detail but Jude 1:4-6 speaks of ungody people designated to pervert and deny God's grace. Are they devil's seed or did God already know their choices to predestine them?
4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
5 Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved[c] a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. 6 And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day—
Exactly right.
Define race for me. Should be easy.
'any one of the groups that humans are often divided into based on physical traits regarded as common among people of shared ancestry'.
Then you are using a phony definition of race.
I think you are conflating race with species.
There are many races within our species.
Obviously, a Pygmy in Cameroon does not share
a race with Scandinavian Norse peoples.
Perhaps all we need to know is that it was God who ultimately separated us for His own reasons (at the tower of Babel, by language) and again, "when the Most High assigned lands to the nations, when he divided up the human race, he established the boundaries of the peoples according to the number of the sons of Israel" Deut 32:8 AND we see that He will bring us back together again. "of all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues" a few times (Rev 5:9, 7:9}
Phil - I disagree with you here, though it may be a matter of semantics. Perhaps race is not the correct terminology, maybe a better one is tribes (though that is not quite right either).
Like you, I believe we all came from a common parents as the Bible plainly states. I reject evolution as an explanation of how we came to be, however it is eminently clear *adaptation* takes place. Adaptation is when an organism changes over short timescales to be more suited to it's environment. We see obvious signs of adaptation all around us, Darwin's finches being the classic example. While Darwin was wrong in his overall conclusions (evolution), his observations regarding adaptation are clearly true.
Human groups were isolated from each other for tens of thousands of years (or longer) before long-distance travel became commonplace. These groups adapted differently; physically attributes, intelligence types, emotional development, and spiritually. Though we are all humans and children of God, we have different GENERAL characteristics. Not completely different as there is large overlap, but the averages are different in quantifiable measures.
This wasn't invented by Marxists but is obviously true to anyone who cares to look. The Marxists haven't created "race" (or tribes or whatever you want to call it) but have used it as a cudgel to turn people against each other. For example, Whites are to blame for the failures of Blacks while the differences between the "races" are ignored. Then at the same time, they also say race is irrelevant and that any shortcoming by an ethnic group can only be explained by discrimination. They do this while pretending obvious counter-example such as Black dominance in the NBA and the NFL don't exist (which points to different physical attributes between races).
I really respect your opinion Phil but I think you have this one exactly backwards. Marxists didn't invent race, it's been around since human groups separated after the fall. What they invented was using it as tool of manipulation and guilt.
I agree and thank you for a more incisive examination of human traits. A false construct of the concept of race has been a lie of Satan for thousands of years to divide us and pit us against each other. It is obviously a difficult contortion of reality to deal with semantically as a result. As I said at the beginning, this is all about defining our terms properly. The variability of the human race is no excuse for pitting us against each other as alien enemies strictly on the basis of physical differences.
As an aside, I would argue that our differences aren't so much an "evolutionary adaptation" as it is simply genetic differences being reinforced through the homogeneity maintained within certain populations.
1) The insanity of Woke is their contradictory Woke assertion that number one (1) we are all alike, and (2) we are all different ... and all at the same ... and according to whatever 'agenda' and/or 'narrative' is being pushed in any given instance.
2) The other observation is that people seem to understand what grouping they are in ... and without having to be tutored in what or who they are. They by evidences seen just know automatically. They manifestly self-identify. Chinese people, for example, never mistake themselves for Africans; and Africans don't think that they are Chinese. And it does little good to argue over labels, because people know who they are and what broad category they belong to ... label or no label.
3) The Left many years ago, in an early rush to proto-inclusiveness were ever so fond of pointing out that the genetic difference between apes and chimps (etc.) and Man was only two some percent in genetic make-up. We were suppose to oo and ah over this great discovery of fact in some pseudo-fit of brotherhood, solidarity, equality ... or whatever. However, the more astute among us could equally and more properly state with absolute certainty that 'little differences make for big differences'. And just something to think about.
4) I note Fla Mom quite is quite correct as to practical observations in medicine. And in general, I overall quite concur with the general drift of Fla Mom's comment. Furthermore, bio-weapon engineers well understand that we are all not the same, otherwise they could not design weapons for group selectivity. And these same people seem to understand that little differences has large scale, over-arching significance.
5) No ... Marxists did not make up race. The have merely appropriated what the foot traffic says observably exists, twisted it around, and appropriated it unto their own warped purposes, with divide and conquer being one of them.
Thank you for bringing some clarity to this conversation.
This is one of the most difficult topics to speak on because people have been so long propagandized out of their gourds, and thus losing the ability to either think or believe what they see with their own eyes.
And in many ways, this topic is similar to C19 blindness where people could not see the idiocy of the most simple of things, like wearing the mask from the restaurant door to the table, taking it off while eating ... and then put the mask back on from the table to the exist the restaurant. Go figure!
When I was involved in formal debate in college, the first thing we had to get straight before even engaging in a moderated debate was getting our terms clearly defined. We had to be taught to be precise in our definitions and our use of language or the debate would veer away from the issues to a mish-mash of rhetoric that went nowhere. Today, this is a huge challenge.
Excellent point. In American, nothing is defined. Just be for this or that. It's the science. It is global warming. Nothing defined, no real history. And above all, no Godly moral order.
Well now! We will see come Vote day to President Installation Day.
And let's see. The Russians would be real smart to deliver Good-Bye Biden and the Cackling Animal Cracker a real disaster to sum of their incompetent Reign of Disasters. And Tulsi, God love here. She has a real heart.
I have always loved and respected Tulsi's stance and wondered how long she would be accepted in the Demoncratic Party.
Hope and change…
If seeking clarity, absolutes and generalizations such as "...nothing is defined..." aren't helpful.
He is pointing out what is taking place. Not defining what is actually happening is one of the biggest problems today.
"Nothing" is an absolute. All inclusive. Everything/everywhere no exceptions, regardless to how is it applied - "taking place" or "defining."
Yes, AND.
race is a nicer way to say it than "breed", as in dogs. We all know that all dogs can interbreed, different breeds just have different morphological characteristics
And different personalities, or dog-onalities.
Simple, right?
There are many mysteries we will just have to wonder about.
I wonder if there is a seed of satan. Could some be of fallen angel blood? They (elite, royalty) do keep their bloodline pure and do not mix with commoners. Something to ponder...
John 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.
He was referring to people who align themselves with Satan's lies. Thus the father of lies. He is not saying they had sex with Satan.
LOL funny but not funny...
My point was that there may be people that look like the human race but are something else.
Maybe I didn't read carefully and understand the comment initially...
This topic gets spiky quickly. Regarding heritable traits, the evidence I am familiar with makes clear there is no marker for "race". We see "race". What our genes (and God) sees is remarkable consistency at the level of DNA. Evidence claiming significance regarding other differences that I have encountered suffer from serious logical flaws. This is to say nothing about the evidence for epigenetic adaptations, which pose other serious challenges to presumptions about fixed, heritable traits. What we have, overwhelmingly in common, is our capacity for adaptation. All other differences redound to variations on a theme, so many genetic alleles for this or that attribute like hair and eye color. All adaptations to environmental conditions, God only cares about so far as He cares equivalently for us all.
Oh my, thank you so much! You definitely have a superior background by which to explain this as compared to my feeble attempts. "Regarding heritable traits, the evidence I am familiar with makes clear there is no marker for "race". We see "race"."
I'm just going to leave it at that. That sums it all up. However, please feel free to elaborate.
Yes, exactly. To take the rainbow as an analogy: there are different colors, though the exact borders are fuzzy.
To claim there is no such thing as race is the same as declaring that there are no different colors in the rainbow in spite of how obvious they are.
I understand the sentiment of wanting human unity, but race is obviously real, and there are significant measurable and visible differences between the different races.
Again, define "race" for me. I am not advocating a sentiment. I am trying to point out reality and represent it semantically in an accurate manner. Not to nit-pick but the rainbow analogy really doesn't carry any water. If anything, it reinforces my statement that there is only one human race with lots of variability. What IS a race?
"IF" We/Me/You are to continue to Survive in this Advancing Technological World there must be an Accompanying Advance in Mankind's Reality as well.
Realities Must Change. Can "We" Do it and Reach the Stars or Will We Devolve back into Times Past and Do it all over again & again & again ???
Those are people groups.
Jeff C, in our world that is right on target. :-)
True. Differences in phenotypes.....but... who and what precepts is the great equalizer?
The great equalizer is that we are all children of God.
My statement was aimed at an observably false claim (no such thing as race) that is unicorn thinking. We don't improve things in life by wishing away reality and pretending demonstrably true facts aren't real. We accept reality and deal with it.
As always, great wisdom here. The key to this is to recognize the different races that God made and embrace our common humanity.
God "made" or created only one set of parents. He "made" no others. There is only one human race. We have to get these definitions straight. Just because all my children look and behave and sound differently does not mean they are all from different parents or are of different races.
Look...God created one race of people with a genetic woodpile so diverse and varied that there are ALL kinds of different looking "humans". Point is, WE ARE ALL HUMANS. And the varied combination of genetics is ONGOING. This is not a static reality that happened once. Our God-given gene pool is constantly combining to produce new and varied results that evil people want to use to divide us. This is important.
Phil, I would say that the development of different races from the one set of parents still supports the statement that God “created” different races, albeit through Divine Intent or will. He certainly built a diverse genetic code into those first parents, and apparently the resulting diversity was furthered by the very human characteristic of like being attracted to like. And one would guess that the differing races developed early in the history of mankind. By the time of Moses there was an Ethiopian race, from which his wife is said to have sprung.
Great rationalization but it doesn't hold up. You are mis-defining "race". Does that make them non-human or a lessor human or perhaps a superior human? Marxists and eugenicists would say yes. This was the whole basis for the willful extermination of the "Jewish race" by the "German" Nazis as...and I quote, "an inferior diseased race."
Here is the straight definition: there is only one Human Race. As it is written, so it shall be.
Your wife's background is from the Ethiopian culture which has similar cultural and genetic characteristics which I assume are different from yours. So what? Because you are both of the human race, I also assume you two have no problem breeding together. The term "race" is improperly used in your example.
Total hogwash, Phil.
You even get the WWII post victory jewish propaganda wrong. I bet you even believe in the "holocaust" hoax.
Enjoy your delusions.
If one believes that God guides all of history, then "All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being." John 1:3 Berean Literal
Great verse!
"God "made" or created only one set of parents."
LOL!! So who did Cain marry and have children with?
Aren't you being divisive by spouting a portion of your own mythology?
Their sisters dummy. Not hard to figure out.
In Genesis 1, god makes man and woman at the same time. In Genisis 2 god, even though he could magically create all of the matter in the universe, ran out of materials and had to run to Lowes for a bag of topsoil from which to create a man. Then he had to steal a rib from man to use the stem cells to create a woman. Then man goes into woman a couple of times and they create two offspring. Then one of the offspring kills the other, so a third offspring magically appears. At this point, these are the only four people on the planet, supposedly. But magically the 'boys' go over the hill to the next town, wherever that came from, and found themselves some wives.
It all makes perfect sense.
Now that IS a magical reading.
It is written.
Then why not recognize different "religions" (mythologies)??
Que the pompous "christians" bleating...
LOL...whoa, deflecting some? That's quite the diversion.
"Deflecting"... just what?
"Change the Reality". We often Do This Via Wars, but Is that the Only Way???
Anyone reading my posts may think I Contradict myself, but Holding 2 Thoughts that "appear" to be Contradictary at the same time is possibly a path to a new Reality of recognizing The Many Realities on planet Earth. "How" to deal with them, other than eliminating those other Realities, is Evolutionary/Enlightment. "Ideas, not Battles, Mark the advancement of Mankind" LRH
For better or worse, We are all "married" to living or dying with each other on this planet at this time.
I've been reading all the previous comments (including yours) and I'm throwing in my 2 cents. Having lived, worked, and spent lots of time in various countries with various "races" in terms of skin color/melanin content, what I came to believe is that it's about the specific CULTURE each person comes from, the one to which they are exposed in their earliest, most formative years. Cultures can be unique to various countries historically, but within each country there are numerous subcultures, or "tribes" so to speak. This was certainly true in the very tribal Middle Eastern countries I worked in, countries in which your allegiance is to your own small "tribe" more than to the nation itself. I've known so many people whose melanin was very dark, yet culturally they were very much like me. I've known people as white as I am who are entirely foreign to me culturally (such as radical leftists). People unknowingly and sometimes consciously adopt a particular culture and its viewpoints. This has nothing to do with "race". A white American radical leftist could adopt a Kenyan infant from a Masai tribe and raise it to be just like any American white or black, with exposure to all the same radical values and attitudes of his adoptive parents. To paraphrase Bill Clinton's comments about the economy, "It's the culture, stupid!" Having spent so much time in foreign cultures, this is certainly the viewpoint that evolved with my personal experience. As a college teacher in a Saudi Arabian university, I had a few students who had lived in the West for long periods of time and who held many sophisticated Western views, yet.....there would be so many instances in which I clearly saw their Saudi culture dominate various things. Their birth culture and the one to which they were initially exposed took precedence. In Saudi Arabia there was a great range of "races" and degrees of skin color. Many of their attitudes were strongly influenced by the Muslim religion and rigid culture that goes along with it, and the race of the various people had nothing to do with any of this.
I think this is why I feel so irritated at the constant idiocy pushed by the left about race-race-race.
Your personal experience has given you insight that most Americans do not understand, much less actually experience. Race is such a false construct without any basis in reality. Whereas, the Marxism of the Bolshevik Revolution in Russia was based on "class warfare", the Marxism of today's America is based on "race warfare". It is a lie and a complete manipulation. I just get frustrated that Christians who *should* know better are just as taken in as the rest.
Anyway, thanks for your comment. Much appreciated.
Yes.
New Day, and aren't those phenotypes expressions of genotypes?
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Yeah always a lower case 3-4 letter name.
Yes, and it's the same scare-mongering paranoia (warranted or not) about covid added to our food or something along those lines. I can only freak out for a certain percentage of my day... I don't need additional paranoia. I need solutions.
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Joseph Kaplan,
If three skeletons are found, scientists can determine the race of each…
True story: A white man went to Mexico, murdered a Mexican male, burned the car which had been staged to look like an accident. He wanted to collect the insurance money. Forensics determined that the corpse wasn’t white. He was caught and convicted. I believe his wife was also involved.
Oooh I saw that one on American Greed it Forensics Files!
One Blood, One Race, The Human Race.
When the census comes around, I always check "Other" and write in "Human."
"One Blood, One Race, The Human Race."
Light bulb! Such a simple, precise description cuts through all the fog.
Such a subversive comment. Very globalist.
Are you rickrolling Based Florida Man?
“Uh, there’s no varied flavors of ice cream and no different foods on a menu. Just sit down and we bring you food. What kind of food? Just food. There’s no such thing as various types of food.”
It’s all still ice cream.
(Sigh)...this is all an argument over definition. Language is so important and it is used every day to manipulate us. If we can't even get our definitions right then our conversation becomes futile. This is why we are so susceptible to the Orwellian manipulation of our thoughts... through language.
"I feel your pain", Comrade :-)
It's such a profound manipulation that has been drummed into our heads from kindergarten. And the last four years of Marxist racism drivel has been effective as a result. But at the same time, I see people across the color spectrum realizing the manipulation and are coming together. THIS is the "tribe" we must align with: those who think for themselves. This war is going to get ugly and we will be forced to set aside all the falsehoods if we are to survive.
I don't know how else to say it. We are all part of the same human family but people can't seem to get rid of the false paradigms that have been fed to us our whole lives through every medium possible and drummed into our heads. We don't think. We just repeat the BS we have been fed. I blame the churches because Christians have not been taught to think from first principles that are laid out in God's Revelation.
It's become so absurd that now they want us to believe that men can be women and women can be men. Come on!!! AND THEY ARE SERIOUS.
All I can say is that there is *a reckoning coming* and people who can't think their way out of these Satanic deceptions of language are not going to fare well. People need to set aside what "they know" and read the Bible as the only truth and read Orwell's "1984" and BEGIN to understand how our minds are being controlled.
Political Phil,
Jeez, what is wrong with having different races of humans? Sounds like you’re virtue signaling. It’s a white thing. No other race feels the desperate need to say we’re all the same. People should celebrate their differences and diversity.
Go up to a black person and ask him if he’s identical to a white, Asian or Hispanic. lol. He wants to be who he is.
Cultures are very different among races. Look at China. The Chinese still practice slavery and murder people for their organs. They eat dogs.
Latinos & blacks, Muslims/browns have mostly third world countries. Their work ethic and culture are vastly different from predominantly white countries.
Yes, we are all human, but we are also different too -and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with that.
Btw: only the white race has diversity in eye (blue, green, hazel etc.) and hair (red, blonde, brown etc.) All other purebred races have black/brown hair and brown/black eyes.
"Jeez, what is wrong with having different races of humans? Sounds like you’re virtue signaling. It’s a white thing. No other race feels the desperate need to say we’re all the same. People should celebrate their differences and diversity."
Virtue signaling? A "white thing"? Seriously? I celebrate the diversity of God's creation, human beings being the supreme example and I think you'll see this if you read what I wrote. If there is any virtue signaling here, it is your statement that accuses. The bottom line question is, "How does that define different races?" Try evaluating your definition of "race" and see if perhaps my definition makes more sense.
Carried to it's extreme, this erroneous definition of race will logically lead to an infinite number of races within the human race. Now where have we heard that before? Oh yeah, now we are told there are an infinite number of "sexes"! See where that goes?
Confusion comes about because People are Not Just bodies but Spiritual Beings. .... and are Spiritual Beings in varying degrees of decay.
Many Variations but also a Common Denominator/Source.
^^like Spot on - but instead of "decay" degrees of development or rather spiritual evolution.
Ah, it it were only so .... How "decayed" or "Free" is a Spiritual Being stuck in a meat body subject to physical torture & wars, with daily economic duress ???
Though "the Pursuit of Happiness" does endure through the centuries of life on planet Earth.... and people like yourself do make the intolerable , tolerable but also hopeful for a better future. Thank you for persisting against all the odds.
More hogwash, from the pompous cretin Phil.
How arrogant to claim that YOUR mythology, and its manipulated, revised and corrupted "bible" are the only truth. Read Biglino's "The Naked Bible" and then acknowledge that "christians" are a minority... even the jews they based their mythology on reject "christianity". Odd,,, no?
First time I've been called a cretin. I'll add it to my resume. Thanks.
My pleasure.
Dude, Liberty requires Freedom not just for self but others to have their beliefs. You are not "Required" to "Believe" as in a Tyrannical State. (which is about on top of us all)
We/Me/You are about to Lose our Liberties, and Christians are the Least of our concerns.
Aim Small, miss small, Focus on What matters.
Just my 2 cents, All the best.
General... Freedom should also mean freedom from loudmouthed, insecure, frightened douchebags spewing their frantic BS, trying to earn "God-points", in venues that are not religion-based. So similar to door-to-door Jehovah's and solar sales-turds, nothing but irritants.
Yes, I am aware of the FUBAR that the world is in currently... sort of makes a guy wonder about "God so loved the world" stuff the harpies and douchebag Phil spout, no?
I don't mind taking a little extra time to slap down the simpering clowns.
SKOAL
"Freedom should also mean freedom from loudmouthed, insecure, frightened douchebags spewing their frantic BS" this is exactly what the ProgreSSive leftists spout about We/Me/You.
Freedom of Speech requires Tolerance of Stupidity as well as Tolerance of Hubris and that We do not Become what We fight. It's easy to do and requires Discernment to avoid.
This applies to Speech, not to Kinetic Actions, which does Require a No Toleration Defense of Life & Liberty.
I consider You and Pol Phil to Both be Patriots, and We need All the Friends We can Muster. Think on it.
Pointing out stupidity and hubris is a GOOD thing... no?
Perhaps you should develop more tolerance for my posts?
Yes, I usually ignore the loons... but pricking a few over-filled balloons occasionally is no sin, IMO. Perhaps a little feedback will benefit them.
^^like Wise words, Phil.
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All our blood is red
This... Is this - blood - not the best indication of commonality, of one race?
All dogs have red blood, therefore all dogs are the same breed. Huh?
They are ALL dogs. "Breed" is a linguistic convention by which we distinguish different characteristics. If different breeds crossbreed then I suppose you have a "half-breed". But it's still just a dog.
So we're all saying the same thing. There's different 'breeds' of humans, just like birds and dogs. But vast differences between the breeds.
When the Euros first landed their sailing ships on Sub-Saharan Africa, the natives there had no written languages or multi-story buildings.
Meanwhile the Euros had centuries of written languages and music, metallurgy, and massive cathedrals hundreds of feet tall.
A big difference in the 'breed' of human population groups.
Good point. And to throw a funny wrench into this argument, since we are in the topic of dogs…in dog breeds, not only physical characteristics, but some behavioral characteristics appear to be genetic. My golden retriever fetched as a puppy, shepherds nip heels and herd kids and ducks and sheep, without being taught.
So my musing is, what in the human world is the parallel behaviorally? I come from a long line of nurses and became a doctor. Is that in my DNA? Are some families inherently friendlier? More aggressive? Just pondering….
We are all pink on the inside.
Amen
I grew up in a scientific world, and struggled with faith.
An ex-lover of mine created an image of two "Christian" fishes kissing one another (one fish had legs), with the caption, "Creation Evolves. Love One Another". I thought that brought some light to the discussion.
BUT Creation did NOT evolve.... It was SPOKEN into being....
I think the idea was that maybe Creation does evolve, post-creation. There is some evidence to support that, right? Even on a personal level, we evolve as we understand more about the world around us, we learn new skills and improve old ones. We come up with new technologies.
Or is everything we see, including the things we make with our own hands, God's creation? If that's the argument, I guess I don't have any more to to contribute.
You might be talking about "adaptation" as humans do adapt to their environment (such as heat in Africa, or cold in Russia or Alaska) but that's not evolution as a fish growing legs and walking out of the ocean and becoming a cow.
So where are all the dinosaurs?
Some are extinct, much like in our lifetime animals have become extinct, but others such as 20 ft. crocs, rhinos, iguanas, meat eating monitor lizards, etc. remain with us
The Bible definitively speak of different races (ethnos) Now in the Kingdom to come, all will be equal, no man or woman, slave or free, Jew or gentile, IF THAT is what you mean....
All the trees are the same, too. They’re all maples. That one they call a magnolia? It’s just a maple with different shaped leaves. That one that brings forth syrup? It’s a maple that brings forth syrup. The one that looks just like it not doesn’t bring forth syrup? It’s a maple that has a glitch. The weepy-willowy looking one? It’s a maple with a DNA glitch, too. The one that has those pecans on it? It’s a pecan maple. Same tree, different seeds. They’re all the
same. Only… different.
I thought they were all pines....
Your perspective highlights the idea that all humans, regardless of their skin color or background, share a common humanity and are made in the image of a divine Creator, HaShem. This viewpoint emphasizes unity, equality, and the inherent dignity of every person, which can help foster mutual respect and understanding among people of diverse backgrounds. It's a reminder of the shared connection and value that exists within humanity.
Something our current Marxists rile against.
Alright Joseph, you started this LOL
As in the "Human Race."